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Kylearan

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Great Day In "Chemtrail" History
« on: January 12, 2012, 11:26:42 PM »
I was listening to KSCO out of Monterey, CA they other day when I heard something I didn't think I would ever hear. Something I would rarely hear on Coast to Coast AM. I heard an actual knowledgeable scientist take on quite a few chemtrail conspiracy theorists. The talk show host is Dr. Bill Wattenburg, a famous inventor and physicist who worked under Edward Teller in various nuclear weapons programs. The date was 1/10/2012 and he took on some chemtrail believers and it was great.

Dr. Wattenburg actually got into the science of what causes contrails and tried to debunk a lot of the conspiracy people's claims. He even challenged one caller to put up money so they could fund research that would actually get a plane to go up and test what the “chemtrails” are actually made of. Of course the conspiracy believers didn't really want to have any of that. And of course some of them accused Dr. Wattenburg of being part of the “cover up”. One guy even brought up Alex Jones, that was funny.

Dr. Wattenburg has also attempted too explain how the HAARP isn't a weather control machine that can move hurricanes at will. I would love to see him on George Noory's show to debate people like Richard C. Hoagland, Alex Jones and even Noory Himself when he spouts misinformation nightly.

The radio station just put the audio archives of this show up here, http://www.ksco.com/dr-bill-wattenburg . The chemtrail calls start coming about 41 minutes into the first hour. Enjoy...

Kylearan


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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2012, 02:22:08 AM »
Thanks for the heads up. I'll get stuck in!

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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 04:05:37 PM »
Thanks.

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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 04:16:28 PM »
I live in New Hampshah (#fitn, love-hate relationship with politicians) and have never seen anything that I could identify as a chemtrail.  Are there any NH members (or from any other NE state) who see chemtrails around here?    ???

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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2012, 04:56:29 PM »
I live in New Hampshah (#fitn, love-hate relationship with politicians) and have never seen anything that I could identify as a chemtrail.  Are there any NH members (or from any other NE state) who see chemtrails around here?    ???
     I live in the final approach to Logan and I'm all too familiar with the sky being traced with contrails...which paranoiacs assume are "chem trails". I've never sen a real chem trail, as far as I know.

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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2012, 06:19:21 PM »
I've lived most of my life around the same airport, same weather patterns etc. Under certain conditions I've often seen contrails slowly puff out over an hour or so to become clouds. I'm also quite willing to 'believe' in cloud seeding, which appears to be viable these days, at least in the short term.
But are 'they' gassing us with prozac or whatever? No. Why bother?

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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2012, 12:33:40 PM »
I live in New Hampshah (#fitn, love-hate relationship with politicians) and have never seen anything that I could identify as a chemtrail.  Are there any NH members (or from any other NE state) who see chemtrails around here?    ???

     To be honest all "contrails" are made up of chemicals. They're hydrogen and oxygen. There are probably a small amount of exhaust products in them too but manly it's water particles and ice particles. Actual chemical spraying is done in experiments like cloud seeding. There is also some experiments that use different chemicals that will actually block sunlight over an area. But when this is done, it's hard to hide and it's usually announced.

Kylearan

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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2012, 11:48:57 PM »
Dr. Wattenburg has also attempted too explain how the HAARP isn't a weather control machine that can move hurricanes at will. I would love to see him on George Noory's show to debate people like Richard C. Hoagland, Alex Jones and even Noory Himself when he spouts misinformation nightly.
Kylearan
You're simply a MORON living in denial, if you still deny that weather engineering through spraying aerosols and other methods isn't real and happening.

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Veteran weather modification expert Ben Livingston is a former Navy Physicist who briefed President Lyndon B. Johnson on the effectiveness of weather control back in the 1960′s during the Vietnam era, when he was involved in cloud seeding programs that worked to slow down the advance of Vietnamese and Korean troops. Livingston asserts that asserts that hurricane control was a national priority of the government more than 40 years ago and that the technology was fully operational to control the weather at the time.

The Father Of Weaponized Weather


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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2012, 11:52:25 PM »
You're simply a MORON living in denial, if you still deny that weather engineering through spraying aerosols and other methods isn't real and happening.


subtle. you use a deft hand in your dogma sir.  a deft hand

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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2012, 11:56:44 PM »

subtle. you use a deft hand in your dogma sir.  a deft hand
Can't be subtle with ignorant fools. When you meet a guy who denied that the US dropped 2 nukes on Japan, you'd call him a moron too probably.

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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2012, 11:57:46 PM »
who did that? i'm just curious

alejandro

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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2012, 11:59:38 PM »
who did that? i'm just curious
That was an allegory  ::) Cloud seeding is a fact, same a the nuke on Japan. If people like to call it "Chemtrailing" it doesn't change the fact that it is happening, and is not a "conspiracy theory".

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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2012, 03:55:38 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2012, 04:15:14 PM »
Harmness seeks to interrupt this semi-psychotic, paranoiac rant with a sprinkling of fact based reality. thanks Harmness

Avi

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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2012, 09:07:23 PM »
That was an allegory  ::)

No, actually it was a lame analogy, and a non sequitir, to boot. Nonetheless, I will entertain the hypothesis that Alex Jones has chem-trailed your dwelling (or was that a roaming tom-cat?). He even speaks to you on the radio, I'll bet, when he's not speaking inside your head.

You have complained that people don't take what you post seriously, even issuing comical threats in response, but you don't seem to grasp that - sorry - Alex Jones is a source of hilarity (like the recent time-traveller of yore - it had to be yore) to many of us. I understand that you believe he has a lock on the truth, and it appears to anger you that so, so many don't see it. You call us morons or some other name, just like the believing Christians who come to my door, only to leave threatening me with hell-fire. The same psychological mechanism operates in both cases. It appears to frighten you that, if so many doubt, perhaps there is something to question?

I neither like, nor accept, easy answers in most cases. The world is chaotic, covered in shades of gray, and I accept that. Alex Jones went to a couple of La Rouch-y meetings, and came away convinced that THEY run the world and are plotting our demise. He can fly this notion because, of course, no one lives a life of absolute freedom. I must obey my superior officers; I am obligated to support my wife and numerous children. I must do things I find distasteful to survive. As a character in one of my favorite movies (Parenthood - an excellent antidote to Jones, btw) remarked, "My whole life is 'have to'."  Even so, I suspect that many of Jones followers do not have obligations or commitments, and rather narcissistically, are seeking a "grand scheme" behind it all. No one likes to contemplate the notion that, in the true grand scheme of things, we only matter to the people for whom we care.

In Jones's ideology, I see the same dangerous, ideological "purity-drive" that he accuses THEM of having. Some of his purity blather is centered on the free market, as though it were some sort of transcendent god, enabling all of us to attain absolute, fair economic freedom. No, sorry. That doesn't jibe with human nature. Indeed, it sounds very like what other, totalitarian systems have proclaimed down through the ages. Yet, I already know what your response will be. As all followers of "purity (of any kind)" proclaim, critics just don't understand what Alex (or Pol Pot) is saying. Basically, you cannot know the Truth until you believe. Oh, puh-lease.

Anyway, you should also know that I wrote this for your delectation because of your "pointy-head, ivory-tower" remarks.  ;D

Billie Holiday - It Had To Be You

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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2012, 02:38:04 AM »

no need to write so much text, when you've got nothing to say really except addressing your own paradigms. maybe you should seek professional help.

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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2012, 02:47:04 AM »
Ha! Ha! I like when you deign to express humor. It's much more, uh, human than the endless Jones worship. Truth be told, I knew that you would not be capable of a cogent reply, but that's cool.

So, alejandro, what do you like to do, aside from booty-pirating in dance clubs? Any hobbies? What are you reading? What sort of music do you like? Are you a chef extraordinaire? In spite of THEM and in spite of Alex Jones, I find tremendous joy in life. I even think you are funny.

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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2012, 05:51:40 AM »
Ha! Ha! I like when you deign to express humor. It's much more, uh, human than the endless Jones worship. Truth be told, I knew that you would not be capable of a cogent reply, but that's cool.
I don't even know what to reply to your rant above, because I see it as an expression of your believe-set that really doesn't have anything to do with me. It is yours.
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So, alejandro, what do you like to do, aside from booty-pirating in dance clubs? Any hobbies? What are you reading? What sort of music do you like? Are you a chef extraordinaire? In spite of THEM and in spite of Alex Jones, I find tremendous joy in life. I even think you are funny.
Thanks for asking, here's one song I really like:
Temple of Love (extended) [HQ] Sisters of Mercy

other favorites are: Type-O-Negative, Depeche Mode, Mozart, Beethoven, The Prodigy, Johnny Cash, Rage against the machine, Rammstein, and some good Country music,  and of course many more artists where I don't consider myself a fan, but really like certain songs.

I like listening to audio books. currently waiting for the final part of the 14 book saga "the wheel of time" (due in March). Also read the occasional "serious" books like "Il Principe", "the 5 rings", "hagakure", "res publica res populi", but I prefer watching good documentaries more than reading.

I like riding horse, especially my own, cause they're not spooky or bad-mannered like so many others.
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2012, 08:11:01 AM »
fuck Rammstein


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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2012, 08:23:07 AM »
You're simply a MORON living in denial

I don't think I'm alone in saying that I normally enjoy your posts whether I agree or not - but don't start this crap, please.
I find one can be offensive as hell on this forum as long as it's funny and imaginative. You, my friend, are a MASTER at this. It pains me to see you being so lazy. Are your wrists tired for some reason?

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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2012, 08:27:38 AM »
I don't even know what to reply to your rant above, because I see it as an expression of your believe-set that really doesn't have anything to do with me. It is yours.

Yes, of course it's my belief-set. It wouldn't do to represent another's beliefs as my own. That would be profoundly dishonest. I'm sorry that you don't seem to grok what I was driving at. You did complain that no one took you seriously, but when I (mostly - except for the tom-cat) do respond to you seriously and in depth (so, yes, it does have something to do with you - you asked for it!), you don't like it, either. O-kay. My assumption is that I am conversing with people when I post here. I do not have an expectation that everyone must agree with everything I say, nor would I refer to those holding differing opinions as "morons." I am most persuaded by empirical evidence, rather than a totalitarian ideology which offers extensive post hoc explanation for damn near everything (which is what I see Alex Jones embracing). Anyway, since you don't seem to understand what I write, I suppose there's little point to it, so I'll just go back to snarking with b_dubb.

I also like the original line-up of Sisters of Mercy. A very interesting choice.

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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2012, 01:44:04 PM »

Are your wrists tired for some reason?
^^^^ good one


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Yes, of course it's my belief-set. It wouldn't do to represent another's beliefs as my own
but who would ever .... nevermind

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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2012, 03:50:13 PM »
Harmness seeks to interrupt this semi-psychotic, paranoiac rant with a sprinkling of fact based reality. thanks Harmness

I was running out of windmills to tilt.

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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2012, 03:57:31 PM »
I like riding horse, especially my own, cause they're not spooky or bad-mannered like so many others.

Horses are the best.  And anymore, if I don't start, break and train them, I don't want them.

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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2012, 03:13:40 AM »
You're simply a MORON living in denial, if you still deny that weather engineering through spraying aerosols and other methods isn't real and happening.

    And you're a cantaloupe. Seriously, you shouldn't call people morons because they don't believe that contrails are now chemtrails. I know there is cloud seeding going on and you can see the planes that do it have gear on them like nozzles that release the silver oxide. They don't put in the plane's fuel to seed clouds with. That would be silly. Do you know what happens when you mix silver oxide with jet fuel and try to run an engine on it?

   The chemtrail conspiracy theory is one of the easiest to prove. Simply get a chemtrail believing loon, they're pretty easy to find. Then fly a plane with sampling equipment on it through the "chemtrail" and then analyze what they're made of. But the chemtrail loons don't want to do that. All they will do is read some web site or watch some crackpot calling himself a scientist on a Youtube video and take it as the gospel truth. Only morons do that. Only morons come to conclusions without hard evidence.

Kylearan
 

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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2012, 03:21:59 AM »
who did that? i'm just curious

     I've found that many of these gullible people who believe everything they see on Youtube and on a web page tend to make things up. Most people who believe in silly things like chemtrails believe that THEY and a select few know the "truth" and the people who don't believe in their conspiracy drivel are just clueless sheep. It makes them feel important. This is because they usually live boring lives and are anti-social. They are the people who aren't of much account, they're ignored by most and having info they think few know about makes them feel they are actually making a difference. But when you hear these nuts talk like the ones you hear on Dr. Wattenburg's show, we realize they're mostly clueless fools who don't really want to get to the truth through scientific means.

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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2012, 03:39:57 AM »
No, actually it was a lame analogy, and a non sequitir, to boot. Nonetheless, I will entertain the hypothesis that Alex Jones has chem-trailed your dwelling (or was that a roaming tom-cat?). He even speaks to you on the radio, I'll bet, when he's not speaking inside your head.

    Alex Jones is a big joke. I don't even want to go into how many times his conspiracy theories have been proven to be complete bullcrap. Alex Jones probably sits around and smokes weed all day, his very annoying voice sure sounds like it! Dr. Wattenburg should challenge Jones to an on-air debate about chemtrails. Dr. Wattenburg's friend Nobel Prize-winning Dr. Richard Muller recently talked about the 9/11 conspiracy theories and how they are easily debunked with mathematics and common sense.

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You have complained that people don't take what you post seriously, even issuing comical threats in response, but you don't seem to grasp that - sorry - Alex Jones is a source of hilarity (like the recent time-traveller of yore - it had to be yore) to many of us. I understand that you believe he has a lock on the truth, and it appears to anger you that so, so many don't see it. You call us morons or some other name

     Oh don't put down their cult leader Alex Jones. The only thing Jones did good was sneak a camera into the Bohemian Grove. We got to see Pagans practice their religion. It was a good expose. But since then Jones has basically been a rambling idiot. I caught Jones giving out totally false information about the Interne2 on his Prison Planet forums. I was booted for disagreeing with Jones who said Internet2 is going to force us to pay to visit web pages. Of course that's BS.

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« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2012, 03:45:05 AM »
Ha! Ha! I like when you deign to express humor. It's much more, uh, human than the endless Jones worship. Truth be told, I knew that you would not be capable of a cogent reply, but that's cool.

So, alejandro, what do you like to do, aside from booty-pirating in dance clubs? Any hobbies? What are you reading? What sort of music do you like? Are you a chef extraordinaire? In spite of THEM and in spite of Alex Jones, I find tremendous joy in life. I even think you are funny.

      I bet now he and Jones think you must be a government agent and part of the cover-up. That's what I get from them. Whenever I express disbelief in their loony conspiracy theories, they claim I'm some sort of agent paid to oppose Jones and other conspiracy wackos. I'm now thinking that I could have been getting paid to do this! I've been doing it for free for so long.

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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2012, 08:44:20 AM »
      I bet now he and Jones think you must be a government agent and part of the cover-up.

Oh, but I am. I remote-viewed alejandro and his stogie-smokin' ballerina through a smoky veil of chemtrails. I think it was the pas de deux from Le Corsaire. alejandro was spectacular in a weather-controlled tutu, except for the lightning that kept shooting out the back.

Le Corsaire - Pas de Deux with Zakharova and Zelensky

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« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2012, 11:17:45 AM »
People make the argument that normal contrails dissipate in short time and what they see as "chemtrails" linger and then spread out. Seeing this, has not gone unnoticed by me. I spent a lot of time outdoors as a kid (1970's) and was pretty observant. So it got me thinking...and I DO remember seeing contrails in the sky that would hang there for some time. Look at old WW2 photos of Allied bombers on high alttitude missions over Europe and you will see this. There are so many factors like the engine type, attitude, weather conditions etc. that will produce different looking jet contrails. All that said, the contrails today do seem a little heavier. I believe this is do to the many additives/ fuel agents added to the jet fuel now. If you combine that with the fact that commercial air jet traffic has increased x fold over the years, leaving more and more contrails criss-crossing the skies, gets one's attention. Conspiracy or not, the growing number of contrails in our skies does have an effect by blocking sunlight. Look at the study conducted in the US during 9/11, when all air traffic was grounded for 3 days. For those who believe that there is a real effort to reverse global warming by this...well I would like to think we are not so stupid as to play around with something as serious as weather manipulation when the results are so unpredictable, well, unless that was are last option, of course.