Topic: 24/7 Art Bell Stream coming to an end.

[Michael Vandeven]

At the end of August, I'm going to permanently stop playing Art Bell on the stream.  CoastGab.com (this forum) will continue to exist just as it does now.  If you tune into the stream in 4 or 5 days, you'll be hearing my podcast.


To quell any knee jerk reactions in advance, I want to be clear with you that nobody has threatened me or sent me any letters demanding the stream's termination.  I've been running an Art Bell stream since 2006 and I'm just not interested in continuing with it.


Cheers,
Michael

[The General]

That's reallly sad, and I'll really miss it. 
But a big thank you for doing it so long.
We've all really enjoyed it.

[Michael Vandeven]

That's reallly sad, and I'll really miss it. 
But a big thank you for doing it so long.
We've all really enjoyed it.

thanks.  it was real fun running it. 


fyi, everyone... if you want art bell shows, hit the torrent sites. you can probably find most of the shows i was streaming by searching around.

[TazarYoot]

Hello, being a fairly recent listener to Coast to Coast, I've only found and started listening to CoastGab in the past few months.  It appears I just caught the tail end of something great and with Coast to Coast no longer being steamed on CoastGab I was hoping that someone might be able to recommend an alternative to CoastGab?  I have been listening to the streaming radio on my iphone while at work and the convinience is really just perfect, are there any other streaming stations that play Coast to Coast or Art Bell 24/7?

Thank you!

[Michael Vandeven]

i recommend you download art's old shows off of a bittorrent website.  here's a private message i sent to someone earlier:

regarding torrents... here's a crash course.  first, download and install uTorrent here.


then, go search for art bell, movie titles, music titles, or software on this or this or this website.  that's basically what you need to know.


oh, and that first "this" link requires an invitation code to sign up.  send me a private message if you need one.

there is also a google group known as "ArtAudio."  they trade art bell shows.  you can joing them by clicking here.

[Michael Vandeven]

i don't want to come across as a dick or anything, but sometimes it's unavoidable.  i'm soooo tired of the messages people are sending me about the stream being down... just sooooo, soooo so tired of it in every way. 


i REALLY wish people would stop asking me if the stream is coming back, because it's not.  i wish people would stop asking me if there are alternatives to the stream because there ARE and ten seconds of simple google searching would reveal this.  i would also like people to stop asking where they can download art bell shows because that has been answered on this fucking forum by me and countless others COUNTLESS TIMES.  holy shit!  i am not askjeeves.com and i ask that you not treat me as such.  while i have answers to these questions, any other human could as well by executing either a google search or by taking a look at the forums here.  the answers to these questions are littered THROUGHOUT this place.


this is going to be the final time i address this matter, and anyone who fails to catch it in this thread is simply going to remain uninformed, i guess.  i won't respond to any more messages about the streeeeeeeeeam.


the permanently dead coastgab stream is not going to return.  you might find other streams out there, but i will not be responsible for them.  it is with 100% confidence i tell you this.


you can download art bell shows at demonoid.me and you'll need an invitation code to use that site.  i'll be happy to provide you with one if needed.  just send me a PM.  there are also many others here who have extended that invitation, as well.  if you don't know how to use bittorrent, learn by using google.


i am not interested in recommending any alternate art bell streams.  i am only recommending demonoid.  if you use that site, the shows can be downloaded and stored to your machine locally for playback whenever.  a stream doesn't really matter much.


as for WHY i stopped streaming art bell, here's a private message i sent someone who asked:

i've received a number of messages and emails just like yours.

i streamed art bell for almost 6 years.  i can't imagine the number of man hours i must have invested in running and maintaining it.  when you do something for a long time, whatever that might be, it can get boring and tiresome.  running the stream and fielding everything that came along with it became more like work and was contributing to my stress levels on a day to day basis. 


i ONLY ran the stream all these years because i wanted to 1) to drive traffic to my website(s) and 2) i wanted to create a pre-packaged audience who would be there to hear my podcasts when they aired live.  that's it...  and aside from those two personal benefits, running an art bell stream was a largely thankless job. 

for the last year or 2, i'd been concerned about the copyright risks i was assuming in running the stream.  that ALONE was a great reason to stop... but it wasn't enough to make me second guess what i was doing.  the second guessing began when i started receiving snotty messages complaining about my podcast when it would air live on the stream because art would be TEMPORARILY interrupted.  god forbid.  some of the messages were getting quite personal, actually.  that's when i became angry at these peasant water-heads and decided, "fuck these rubes.  they don't deserve to enjoy this free service."  and that was it.  i'd had enough.  plug = pulled.

when you're running something that yields ZERO financial reward and consumes a disproportionate amount of your time, it doesn't take many snotty messages before you give up... and that's what i did.  my stress level has decreased as a result.  i no longer need to feel like my podcast is an imposition when it airs.  killing it was a great move.

[onan]

i don't want to come across as a dick or anything, but sometimes it's unavoidable.  i'm soooo tired of the messages people are sending me about the stream being down... just sooooo, soooo so tired of it in every way. 


i REALLY wish people would stop asking me if the stream is coming back, because it's not.  i wish people would stop asking me if there are alternatives to the stream because there ARE and ten seconds of simple google searching would reveal this.  i would also like people to stop asking where they can download art bell shows because that has been answered on this fucking forum by me and countless others COUNTLESS TIMES.  holy shit!  i am not askjeeves.com and i ask that you not treat me as such.  while i have answers to these questions, any other human could as well by executing either a google search or by taking a look at the forums here.  the answers to these questions are littered THROUGHOUT this place.


this is going to be the final time i address this matter, and anyone who fails to catch it in this thread is simply going to remain uninformed, i guess.  i won't respond to any more messages about the streeeeeeeeeam.


the permanently dead coastgab stream is not going to return.  you might find other streams out there, but i will not be responsible for them.  it is with 100% confidence i tell you this.


you can download art bell shows at demonoid.me and you'll need an invitation code to use that site.  i'll be happy to provide you with one if needed.  just send me a PM.  there are also many others here who have extended that invitation, as well.  if you don't know how to use bittorrent, learn by using google.


i am not interested in recommending any alternate art bell streams.  i am only recommending demonoid.  if you use that site, the shows can be downloaded and stored to your machine locally for playback whenever.  a stream doesn't really matter much.


as for WHY i stopped streaming art bell, here's a private message i sent someone who asked:

People can be very short sighted. I can share two similar stories. I used to have a yearly barbeque my wife and I would invite over 100 people every fall to a "pig-pickin". We would buy a slaughtered pig, hire a company to barbeque it, have catered sides, two kegs of beer, a DJ, and offer those that had a bit too much a place to stay. We did that for about 8 years. And every year there were complaints that we didn't offer another meat for those that didn't like pork, the beer wasn't cold enough or the right brand. Some people even complained that they didn't have a way to take home extra portions. Now I get told how much they miss those bbqs. Go figure.

Several times a year I will buy a crap ton of bisquits from bojangles to take to work. I let the entire hospital staff know there are bisquits for breakfast over the hospital messaging system. Some bisquits go faster than others. When those are gone people complain that I didn't get enough. Again go figure.

I know you do not like a bunch of thank you's MV, so wont blather. But yeah people frikken amaze me.

[Silent]

From my years of internet use I've found that almost everything online is temporary.  No profit + 1 man show = short lived, almost every time.  Just enjoy things while you can and don't be upset when they're gone.  On the up side things that are really nice, like the stream, almost always reform under different management since the demand is out there.  Like Michael suggested always back up locally things which you don't want to lose access to.  I dread the day demonoid goes dark but one way or another it will happen.  Thanks for the stream while it lasted.

The pig roast on the other hand is a damn shame.  If anyone finds a torrent for free food and beer please share!

[Treading Water]

I am very grateful for even finding this site.  I discovered c2c as Art was on his last way out.  Without this place I never would have been exposed to the Art Bell that was. 

Doing for others is always a thankless endeavor.  Just like life, enjoy what you have while you have it.  I appreciate all you've done, Michael.  And I also enjoy some of your podcasts.   I'm also hoping to enjoy more of them. 

And, onan, you sent me back a year or two....I used to work for a guy who would invite all his employees to his summer cabin for a day.  He provided all the food and drink.  He even rented boats for us to use on the big lake down the road.  One employee ruined it all.  He first asked to be paid to "attend" the event, then decided he shouldn't have to attend but should still receive something of equal "value".  He suggested that the boss should pay for some big, fancy restaurant meal for him.  No meals for any of us after that. 

[majes]

:rip: CoastGab

And good luck with your podcast Mike!!!!

[Frys Girl]

human beings = assholes. Forgive me for saying this, but I find it to be true. A wedding is a good example. People always complain afterward. The food was this or that, too this or that (FREE?!). The DJ did this or that. The dancers. The goody bags.


It's a wonder anyone does anything nice anymore. It's a bad world.

[Michael Vandeven]

And every year there were complaints that we didn't offer another meat for those that didn't like pork, the beer wasn't cold enough or the right brand. Some people even complained that they didn't have a way to take home extra portions.

Holy shit. I was getting angry just reading this.

Sent from my DROIDX

[The General]

Well, I always admired how brilliant it was... I found this website by searching google for "streaming art bell."  I eventually created a profile and started posting.  I was surprised one day to discover that the stream had been interrupted by a mystery show.  I couldn't figure out what was going on, but I listened, and enjoyed it.  Something called Michael Vandeven's Radio Trainwreck.  I figured it out, now I'm a fan of the podcast too.  So, good work MV, your diabolical plan for getting more people to the site and more listeners to your podcast worked, at least in my case.

[Bosco]

I agree.

All CoastGab members should become listeners of Michael Vandeven's Trainwreck Radio.

Thank you Michael for all that you do and have done. This is a great site.

[Michael Vandeven]

Well, I always admired how brilliant it was... I found this website by searching google for "streaming art bell."  I eventually created a profile and started posting.  I was surprised one day to discover that the stream had been interrupted by a mystery show.  I couldn't figure out what was going on, but I listened, and enjoyed it.  Something called Michael Vandeven's Radio Trainwreck.  I figured it out, now I'm a fan of the podcast too.  So, good work MV, your diabolical plan for getting more people to the site and more listeners to your podcast worked, at least in my case.

I agree.

All CoastGab members should become listeners of Michael Vandeven's Trainwreck Radio.

Thank you Michael for all that you do and have done. This is a great site.

haha, thanks guys.

[Flaxen Hegemony]

From my years of internet use I've found that almost everything online is temporary.  No profit + 1 man show = short lived, almost every time.  Just enjoy things while you can and don't be upset when they're gone.  On the up side things that are really nice, like the stream, almost always reform under different management since the demand is out there.  Like Michael suggested always back up locally things which you don't want to lose access to.  I dread the day demonoid goes dark but one way or another it will happen.  Thanks for the stream while it lasted.

This. We are encouraged to view the internet as an "extension" of our computer, and it is so easy to be lazy and do so.  Then, poof, there goes all your remote files if the company decides to shut it down.  First Geocities, then Google shut down a bunch of services.  In their defence, Google has a somewhat reasonable export function. 

Fuck the cloud.  Never trust your data to it.  Ever.

[Paper*Boy]

... Fuck the cloud.  Never trust your data to it.  Ever.

There was some on-line company that stored photos people uploaded, went bankrupt during the dot com bust, closed it's doors and that was it.  The photos were irretrievable.  Not sure if customers eventually got their pix, don't think so.
 
Or business records, accounting, payroll, sales, receivables, etc, kept in the cloud - miss the monthly payment and they get cut off.

[Michael Vandeven]

Or business records, accounting, payroll, sales, receivables, etc, kept in the cloud - miss the monthly payment and they get cut off.

Fuck that. The whole cloud movement seems to me like an effort to erode consumer control while simultaneously increasing the tech industry's profits. I'm not interested.

Sent from my SGH-I897

[quintaldo]

For Michael : you did a great service. I mean a spiritual one. Noone can require, demand or whine for anyone else to take on such a mantle. You did it, props to you. We are grateful. You can take the mantle off anytime, or take it back on. My guess is that once you've basked in your self freedom long enough to feel relieved, you'll find another venue to express your service side. It probably won't be a repeat of the same thing, rather it's likely to be a new creative idea.
I thought you had some kind of deal with the copyright owners but you just revealed that what you did was as straightforward as putting up a stream and streaming stuff in it
The lesson of it all might be that there should be thousands of times more people like Michael who just do the deed.

[M Knight]

It's a bad world.

I think you need a vacation in Disney World.

[M Knight]

as for WHY i stopped streaming art bell, here's a private message i sent someone who asked:

Not that I want to see Coastgab go away, but there should be a forum, or at least a permanant thread devoted to your podcasts.  Following Radio Trainwreck, let's have a little "Radio Triage".

[Frys Girl]

I am glad there will be more focus on Trainwreck radio. I loved it when I first heard it. I like it when it is less politics, because there's enough political talk out there. Life talk radio is so hard to come by. It gets cut for sports and news/weather. I wish you the best Michael. Please make sure you give us the dates of the broadcast in advance, at least so we can prank call you.

[Falkie2013]

Just what is everyone going to do if the computer makers decide to STOP putting hard drives in their computers and force you to store everything on a cloud computer and download everything to that site.

Apple now has no slot for cds/dvds in their new Mac Minis, though you can get an external cd/dvd drive for $ 70 bucks.

They've done this kind of stuff for years in that THEY decide what's good for the consumer and buyer and ignore the wishes of the users.

I'm an old gamer, wargamer and grognard and play wargames on the pc and Mac. But already and increasingly, one must download games from the creator's website. There's no way to get a physical copy of the game on a cd or dvd.

I've never liked this because if your computer crashes you stand a chance of losing everything and what are you going to do if the cloud site crashes and backups to a disk drive are a thing of the past ?

I still keep a 286, 386,486, Apple ][, ][e, ][c, ][GS so I can play my older games and when my multiple Macs crashed or my pc died ( which it did last year ) I can still run Quicken or Appleworks or such on my older computers.

I think this cloud computing has NOT been thought out very well for the ramifications of what the user will be able to do.

I don't trust it either but unfortunately it is the wave of the future at least until something comes along to replace it which it invariably does.

I remember them talking about bubble and magnetic memory back in the 1970's. Never happened but those were touted as the next big thing.

As for Art Bell streaming stuff, I'm new to this site too. If there's still material on here, I'd like to find it and keep it. If there isn't, then I thank you for keeping it going for so long.

I have a blog & have been an online moderator in the past. You do a hell of a lot of work with oftimes little or no gratification and sure as hell little or no financial compensation as well.

This is not to say that making some money would be nice but it sure as hell hasn't happened on my blog & I have google and Amazon stuff on it. I've never made a dime.

Once I get my commerical websites up next year I hope to make money on them, but like so many new efforts on the web it's a crap shoot. You may succeed spectualarly or crash and burn.

I go back to the days of bbs systems, local boards and the teletype, punched cards and paper tape.

Sites and ideas that were going full blazes once suddenly die.

That's never changed.

[imperial252]

I haven't visited coast gab or listened to the stream for some time and when I do I usually lurk. I enjoy reading everyone's witty discussions and replies and rarely feel like I have anything of substance to add (consider me the quiet guy in the back of the room just taking it all in), so I try not to clog up the board with my useless rambling. With that being said, please excuse me for the rambling that is about to follow: I would like to say THANK YOU to Michael for all of the work, time, and money you put in to this over the years. The fact that people had the balls to treat you that way when the stream was down or when you decided to try out some of your own programming is appalling! Good luck with the radio train wreck.

[morphiaflow]

(Off topic, but Art-related)

I'm going to post this as its own thread as well, but I'm also putting it on a couple Art threads too, for those who are interested and/or able to help. Michael V, sorry if this seems spammy, I'm only trying to increase exposure for something that should be near and dear to all Art fans.

I've posted about this before but here is some new info....There is a gentleman who goes online by the name Malacoid who is doing (a) God's work--he has undertaken the Herculean task of not only collecting and archiving every Coast episode he can get his hands on, but giving them consistent tags and releasing them on torrent sites in year-by-year collections, mainly Demonoid, but others as well.

He has been working backwards--2005 through 2010 are done, and he's currently working on 2004. This means, of course, that he's only now reaching the REALLY good stuff--since the further back you go with Coast, the more Art and less Noory there is, and what Noory IS there, is (in my opinion) from a time when he didn't suck QUITE so much. In other words, somewhat listenable.

In any case, he's about 2/3 done with 2004, but he's missing a BUNCH of shows.

Here's the bait for Art fans. He's released an unfinished, in-progress torrent of every 2004 show he has so far--which includes EVERY episode Art hosted in 2004. You can find it--and links to his other yearly collections, AND a list of what he's missing--here.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6690478

And he's looking to network with other Coast collectors to complete his 2004 torrent and continue going backwards as far and as thoroughly as he can.

There's also a google group for other Art/Coast collectors at http://groups.google.com/group/artaudio?hl=en

I believe the entire Coast collector community should get behind him, because it will benefit us all in the end. ESPECIALLY if in fact Art does not return to the radio, or not soon--we can at least have the most thorough, comprehensive, consistently organized and high-quality archive of Art shows available ANYWHERE (outside of the premiere vaults).

So, thanks for letting me hijack this forum for what I consider to be a public service announcement for Art fans. Hopefully, it won't be deleted as spam.

[Agent : Orange]

I'd just like to say thanks to MV for streaming Art for as long as he did. Kudos!
You allowed me hear a ton of great shows I otherwise would have missed or passed by.

And I look forward to hearing more of the Radio Trainwreck. Still a win for me.

Seriously thanks a million

[guildnavigator]

I am glad I was "in before the lock" as well




thanks MV!

[PhantasticSanShiSan]

So........are you saying I can't listen to the Art Bell stream here anymore?

[Michael Vandeven]

So........are you saying I can't listen to the Art Bell stream here anymore?

to what address should i mail the geddy lee isolated vocal tracks?


may your ears bleed eternally.

[PhantasticSanShiSan]

to what address should i mail the geddy lee isolated vocal tracks?


may your ears bleed eternally.

LMAO.  I would expect no less.  I knew you'd appreciate that.