Topic: Dagummit! Now Ian Punnett is Doing the "Foreign" Pronunication Thing . . .

[Gassy Man]

He kept pronouncing "Chupacabra" as "Chupacabbrrrrrrraaaaaaaa" and had to say the word over and over during Open Lines.  I'm sorry but nothing sounds stupider to me than a whitebread Anglo who tries to "respect" the pronounciation of another culture by doing a half-assed impression when the word is already pronounced differently in their own culture . . . it's odd and seems strange because they don't pronounce other "foreign" words that way that have previously been Americanized, such as "aluminum" instead of "aluminium."

[Avi]

Yeah, but my understanding is that "Dagummit" is actually pronounced "Dad-gummit!" 

[Gassy Man]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dagummit

Are you from the southern half of this great country?

[anagrammy]

Yeah, it grates on my ears when I hear an American newscaster suddenly slip in "Ee-Rrrrahk" instead of "Iraq" as if to say, "English isn't my only language, monolinguists, THIS is how the word is ACTUALLY pronounced by the NATIVES, you know-nothings."

It is condescending.  When you are hear, pronounce it like the people who live here do.

I had a funny experience with this once in Long Beach, California.  I was asking for directions and someone said to take Junipero Serra street, pronouncing it "Huan-a-pero Sera."  I said, "You mean "Hoo-Ni-per-oh Serrrrra?" and the person said, "I guess.  So, how long have you been in the U.S? (I was born here) LOL!

Anagrammy

[BobGrau]

did he commit a fox pass?

america media being condescending? surely not.

[Avi]

Are you from the southern half of this great country?

No, but I love American accents. Being musically inclined, I like to imitate them, as I must do for certain roles, anyway. I did not know that there were variations on Dad-gummit (the Texan pronunciation). Fascinating (pause to raise left eyebrow).

My experience as a vocal instructor has been that Mid-Westerners have the most difficulty with pronunciation of other dialects. That mid-western drawl remains no matter what. I really hope my Cleveland, Ohio born spouse does not look over my shoulder as I type this.

[Lovely Bones]

He kept pronouncing "Chupacabra" as "Chupacabbrrrrrrraaaaaaaa" and had to say the word over and over during Open Lines.  I'm sorry but nothing sounds stupider to me than a whitebread Anglo who tries to "respect" the pronounciation of another culture by doing a half-assed impression when the word is already pronounced differently in their own culture . . . it's odd and seems strange because they don't pronounce other "foreign" words that way that have previously been Americanized, such as "aluminum" instead of "aluminium."

Okay, I love all the posts on this thread, BUT . . .

I remember one night Ian made a brief mention regarding his rather intriguing family composition.  There was some reference to Puerto Rican or other Hispanic members of the family, him being adopted or fostered as a child, something along those lines.  And Dad-gummit, I didn't catch the details because I was kinda drifting in and out of sleep and because it was just a brief mention and Ian didn't do the full-on Noory trip down memory lane where Noory exposes his entire childhood for all to see. 

But in Ian's defense, rolling his "r's" in Chupacabra may not be a whitebread guy pretending he's sympatico with Hispanics so much as a white midwest guy who doesn't show his Hispanic "roots" on the outside. 

[Paper*Boy]

... But in Ian's defense, rolling his "r's" in Chupacabra may not be a whitebread guy pretending he's sympatico with Hispanics so much as a white midwest guy who doesn't show his Hispanic "roots" on the outside.

Or it could just be a pretentious jackass finding a new way to be superior.
 
In Ian's defense, George Noory - who can't even speak English - also tries to pronounce place names with a Spanish accent and botches it badly.  Wait, I guess that isn't much of a defense...
 

[Lovely Bones]

Or it could just be a pretentious jackass finding a new way to be superior.
 

Yeah.  But see, I don't find Ian to be a pretentious jackass.  I find him kind of endearing.  It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it. 

[Scully]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dagummit

Are you from the southern half of this great country?

I'm not from Hillbilly Heaven either, Gassy Man, (although I live there now.)  Guess I picked up my "dad-gummit" in Texas (like Avi) where I was raised.
 
I'm a connoisseur of American accents, as Avi says she is.  Where in this great country is it that they say "dagummit"?  I never heard that til today, and here's the link to the other Urban Dictionary site that tells the rest of the story. 
 
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dad-gummit

[SheilaVG]

That's funny. I mean I know you're serious but it's funny because Glenn Beckas saying something about that being annoying recently. Of course he was making a big joke about it so that what he was saying wasn't serious but he's right. This is America and we should not have to feel like we have to use the pronunciations of other lands when speaking. I mean even if the word is, for instance, An Chill Ada, that is how WE pronounce enchilda Not enchiladsha or whatever they say. But he uses unusual pronunciations for other things too, not just foreign words. I just assume it's because he feels he knows it so should use it. Every host is going to have something we could complain about but Ian is a good host so I think many of us forgive him these things because of his general tone and how good he is on the show. Same thing with George Knapp though I haven't found anything to criticize about him except maybe he talks about UFOs a wee bit too much.

Sheila

He kept pronouncing "Chupacabra" as "Chupacabbrrrrrrraaaaaaaa" and had to say the word over and over during Open Lines.  I'm sorry but nothing sounds stupider to me than a whitebread Anglo who tries to "respect" the pronounciation of another culture by doing a half-assed impression when the word is already pronounced differently in their own culture . . . it's odd and seems strange because they don't pronounce other "foreign" words that way that have previously been Americanized, such as "aluminum" instead of "aluminium."

[Avi]

"I'm a connoisseur of American accents, as Avi says she is."

Er, I'm not a she - not that I think there's anything wrong with being a she. On the contrary. My wife is a very fine she with a fine Cleveland accent. For the sake of honesty, I'm not a Texan, or even an American, either.

Unfortunately, regional accents are disappearing in the USA. Television and radio have really amalgamated most accents into a bland, featureless style. A pity. Here's a site where you can hear loads of accents (English has over 400 entries):

http://accent.gmu.edu/browse_language.php

[Art Crow]

Television and radio have really amalgamated most accents into a bland, featureless style.

I told my linguistics teacher that 10 years ago and he was like "whuuuuuu???"

[Scully]

"I'm a connoisseur of American accents, as Avi says she is."

Er, I'm not a she - not that I think there's anything wrong with being a she. On the contrary. My wife is a very fine she with a fine Cleveland accent. For the sake of honesty, I'm not a Texan, or even an American, either.

Unfortunately, regional accents are disappearing in the USA. Television and radio have really amalgamated most accents into a bland, featureless style. A pity. Here's a site where you can hear loads of accents (English has over 400 entries):

http://accent.gmu.edu/browse_language.php

Pardon the gender change I gave you, Mr. Avi, and thanks for the neat link.
 
Ah well, we can't all be from Texas. 

[Avi]

Well, as the bumper sticker has it, "I got here as fast as I could!"

[Gassy Man]

Yeah, it grates on my ears when I hear an American newscaster suddenly slip in "Ee-Rrrrahk" instead of "Iraq" as if to say, "English isn't my only language, monolinguists, THIS is how the word is ACTUALLY pronounced by the NATIVES, you know-nothings."

It is condescending.  When you are hear, pronounce it like the people who live here do.

I had a funny experience with this once in Long Beach, California.  I was asking for directions and someone said to take Junipero Serra street, pronouncing it "Huan-a-pero Sera."  I said, "You mean "Hoo-Ni-per-oh Serrrrra?" and the person said, "I guess.  So, how long have you been in the U.S? (I was born here) LOL!

Anagrammy

It gets worse, too, when people try to pronounce words in a haughty way, like "LITCHrichure" instead of "literature" or "HHerb" instead of "herb."  In some cases, these are acceptable pronuniciations but arcane ones.

[Gassy Man]

No, but I love American accents. Being musically inclined, I like to imitate them, as I must do for certain roles, anyway. I did not know that there were variations on Dad-gummit (the Texan pronunciation). Fascinating (pause to raise left eyebrow).

My experience as a vocal instructor has been that Mid-Westerners have the most difficulty with pronunciation of other dialects. That mid-western drawl remains no matter what. I really hope my Cleveland, Ohio born spouse does not look over my shoulder as I type this.

Could be.  I'm a midwesterner, though I've been told my high school French accent isn't bad.  The flip side is the midwestern accent is generally the one in the U.S. preferred for newscasters and the like.

[Gassy Man]

Yeah.  But see, I don't find Ian to be a pretentious jackass.  I find him kind of endearing.  It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it.

Nah, he can be a pretentious jackass.  He's definitely smarter than George Noory, certainly a better interviewer, occasionally an enjoyable host, and much too often, as Christopher Hitchens might put it, an annoying "little ponce."

[Gassy Man]

I'm not from Hillbilly Heaven either, Gassy Man, (although I live there now.)  Guess I picked up my "dad-gummit" in Texas (like Avi) where I was raised.
 
I'm a connoisseur of American accents, as Avi says she is.  Where in this great country is it that they say "dagummit"?  I never heard that til today, and here's the link to the other Urban Dictionary site that tells the rest of the story. 
 
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dad-gummit

I'm in the midwest and very close to Appalachia, the literal hillbilly heaven, and have never heard anyone around here pronounce the "d" in "dadgummit."  I've probably heard it pronounced that way in movies and television though and just never paid attention.   

[Gassy Man]

That's funny. I mean I know you're serious but it's funny because Glenn Beckas saying something about that being annoying recently. Of course he was making a big joke about it so that what he was saying wasn't serious but he's right. This is America and we should not have to feel like we have to use the pronunciations of other lands when speaking. I mean even if the word is, for instance, An Chill Ada, that is how WE pronounce enchilda Not enchiladsha or whatever they say. But he uses unusual pronunciations for other things too, not just foreign words. I just assume it's because he feels he knows it so should use it. Every host is going to have something we could complain about but Ian is a good host so I think many of us forgive him these things because of his general tone and how good he is on the show. Same thing with George Knapp though I haven't found anything to criticize about him except maybe he talks about UFOs a wee bit too much.

Sheila

Well, no offense, but Glenn Beck is a little ponce.

[BobGrau]

It gets worse, too, when people try to pronounce words in a haughty way, like "LITCHrichure" instead of "literature" or "HHerb" instead of "herb."  In some cases, these are acceptable pronuniciations but arcane ones.

It's "herb", not "erb" - and while we're at it, "football" is not pronounced "soccer"

 

[Gassy Man]

It's "herb", not "erb" - and while we're at it, "football" is not pronounced "soccer"

 

Not in these parts unless you're talking about some gangly 50 year old with a combover.

[Avi]

From Ireland, land of poets and scholars, and from whence I so humbly hail, "haitch" vs. "aitch (voiced vs. unvoiced letter 'h')" is a serious speech marker of one's political/class affiliation.

[beachcomber]

Punnett can be unnecessarily verbose, pretentious, self-aggrandizing egotistical self-involved and elitist but I had to fastblast him when he pronounced Lima (Ohio) like he was talking about LEE-MA , Peru.

Here, Lima is pronounced  like the simple Lima bean  (or "Slima" as the haters are wont to say).

But it didn't help. He still thinks rural Ohioans speak with a Spanish accent.
Oh well.

[anagrammy]

From Ireland, land of poets and scholars, and from whence I so humbly hail, "haitch" vs. "aitch (voiced vs. unvoiced letter 'h')" is a serious speech marker of one's political/class affiliation.

And, prithee tell, what in the world is a "haitch/aitch?"

(I realize I may be losing my percent Irish here by asking, even though my name is Kathleen and my grandmother came from County Cork.

Anagrammy

[BobGrau]

Not in these parts unless you're talking about some gangly 50 year old with a combover.

someday.

I'm normaly pretty easy-going about the (percieved) misuse of lnagague adn spilling, but that 'erb' thing has always bugged me for some reason. Stupid really, cos I drop my 't's consanly.

[Paper*Boy]

Punnett can be unnecessarily verbose, pretentious, self-aggrandizing egotistical self-involved and elitist...

Just the qualities one would look for in a minister.  Not that Ian actually believes in any of that 'God' stuff.

[Harmness]

Where I live, we pronounce it "goddammit."

[onan]

Where I live, we pronounce it "goddammit."

Thanks for that.

For a while I thought I must have missed something. The only place I have heard the term dadgummit or any variation has been on tv or Blazing Saddles.

Goddamnit however pretty much hourly in my neighborhood.

Sent from my DROIDX

[Avi]

And, prithee tell, what in the world is a "haitch/aitch?"
(I realize I may be losing my percent Irish here by asking, even though my name is Kathleen and my grandmother came from County Cork.
Anagrammy

Well, this rambling Australian gives good "haitch (so many of us traveled there on prison ships)."

English Speaking is not perfict even spelling is not perfict