Topic: Oswald the CIA trained patsy - Kennedy Murder

[Michael Vandeven]

anyway, i don't mean to derail this thread.  back to the kennedy stuff.

[RealCool Daddio]

anyway, i don't mean to derail this thread.  back to the kennedy stuff.

No problem, I got a laugh out of the joke with Aziz - may borrow it myself!
 
As I said in my first post in this thread, there may be a lot more to this story than has been released.  But i still doubt that information is protecting a great assassination conspiracy, particularly one that involves such a diverse group as the CIA, FBI (who were, and still are, very, very seperate agencies, with very little love for one another), various state and local officials, the mafia, texas oil tycoons, and the highest levels of both the republican and democrat parties.  And not one of the 100's, probably 1000's of people involved have come forward with any credible evidence, have not had any twinges of guilt over being part of, well, treason, to have a death bed confession or something.  It just doesn't add up.  Plus, what the hell was the motive?
 
I think most successful cover-ups and conspiracies are very small (1 or 2 people, maybe a handful of people), and are for very personal, immediate gain.  Usually, covering their own assess.  So I think it is entirely possible, maybe even probable, that Oswald had some minimal engagement with Feds.  Maybe they though he could infiltrate some local commie groups, or radical groups in the local colleges and universities for them - it was the sixties, after all.  Maybe Joe Schmuck and Bob Doofus of the local field office even slip him fifty bucks once in awhile from the office petty cash, for tips on local militants, Castro supporters, whatever. 
 
Then, one day, the guy goes nuts, and offs the president.  Now the real cover up begins - Joe Schmuck runs into Bob Doofus' office, and says "Bob, you that goofball Oswald we sometimes pump for info on the hippies at the liberal arts college? He done went and shot the fricken' president. Higher ups are gonna be asking questions about what we know about this guy, and why we never filed any reports on him being a whackadoo.  Our careers are over.  And Mary Sue just bought one of them new colour TV's!"
 
And Bob says "Hold on a second Joe, here's what we are going to do.  First, find me every stitch of paper we have on this guy..."
 
The fact that Oswald had been trained by the CIA during his military service is not particularly surprising, either.  Heck, almost all military personal, as well as most police men and private secutiy people, deployed in Afghanistan get some degree of counter-intellignece training from a number of different groups.  I know for a fact that the CIA continues to provide training for (gasp!) foreign troops stationed in Afghanistan, including Canadian, Polish, and Dutch troops.
 

[Lena]

So, if you could, explain to me again how offing a moderate like JFK, and replacing him with 6 years of progressive LBJ, was part of some vast right wing conspiracy (eg: nixon and bush, the people who killed JFK, ruling america, as you put it).  Because it honestly doesn't add up to me.

I try to explain it.
The USA are controlled by powergroups. They stand behind (actually above) the democrats or republicans, they are like a brotherhood. The guys who come from Skull and Bones (Prescott, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., Kerry, etc.) are obviously among them.
They dont really care who of the Republicrats runs the senate or becomes President.
They really care more about protecting their spheres of influence: Military Industrial Complex & C.I.A., Media Empires, Banks, etc.

From these key positions they can either control a weak President like Obama, or put their own men in like the Bushes.
JFK was a problem, because they misjudged him as weak, having only women in his head,
but when JFK became real ambitious, attacking the Federal Reserve Scheme, working for peace with the Soviets and Cuba, kicking their men out of the CIA, and especially igniting some new spirit in the american public, they HAD to get rid of him - in order to protect their own benefice.

LBJ was ambitious, but he would have had no chance to become President, cause of JFKs second term, and possibly RFK afterwards - who was of course shot as well, as you know, and JFK jr. was killed too - on the memorial day (16. July 1999) when Apollo 11 was launched into space from the Kennedy Space Center. You think that is coincidence and back luck ?

let the father kill the father, let the son kill the son

By the way, some more funny coincidences - the russian Csar family was also killed on July 16th 1918, and Bush jr. went "missing" from his campaign trail from July 16th to July 18th 1999.

Kennedy’s plane went into the sea at 10:00 on Friday night, July 16, 1999. Bush was involved in a heated campaign, which he was losing in New Hampshire. He was constantly in public and constantly surrounded by reporters, so it’s easy to figure out where he was. Right? Wrong! According to the Omaha World Herald (7/17/99), on July 16th Bush was flipping pancakes Friday morning in Des Moines, but he boarded a bus and disappeared for the entire weekend. On Saturday, July 18th, reporters looking for a comment from Bush confronted a fumbling spokesperson who was unable to say when Bush would be available for comment. (Newsday, 7/19/99, A19) Bush finally called a press conference on Monday, to offer condolences.

By involving himself in Kennedy’s murder, George W. Bush was living out the legacy of his father and his father’s father, while at the same time eliminating a likely adversary for his future presidential campaign.

[Lena]

Another question you can ask yourselves - and keep in mind the other documents that place G.H.W.Bush at the place of the murder, and his "crazy" report of a guy suspected to want to murder JFK -
Why did the FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover write a Memo a few days after the hit, entitled: "The Assassination of JFK" and mention George Bush in it? It seems like a wink with the fence post.

Hoover had been, at JFK’s direction, spying on the CIA’s anti-Castro Cuban operation for months. His knowledge of the intimate details of the assassination can scarcely be overestimated. And 5 days after the assassination, he identified “Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency” as that agency’s responsible party sent to receive the FBI’s report on the activities of their killing team. He then hid this memo, containing this explosive information, in plain sight, distributing to various members of the State department, without classification.

In college, Bush was a “brother under the skin” to the son of the head of hiring for CIA; he left college and went to work for a man his father identified as a CIA recruiter; and he then set up shop in the middle of CIA preparations for the invasion of Cuba at the Bay of Pigs; which puts him squarely in the middle of the “misguided anti-Castro Cuban operations referred to by Hoover‘s memo.



to sum up some of the coincidences:

*Bush denies to have ever worked for the CIA before he became Director - which is of course so ridiculous, I wonder why nobody holds his feet to the fire for that. Why would he have to deny it in the first place?
*Bush reported a guy who allegedly wanted to kill JFK just days before the hit.
*Bush is mentioned in a memo by J.E.Hoover, FBI titled "The assassination of JFK"
*Bush was in Dallas or very close on the day of the hit.
*Bush does not remember where he was when JFK was killed - an event comparable to 9/11, where most everybody remembers when he learned of it.

[Michael Vandeven]

No problem, I got a laugh out of the joke with Aziz - may borrow it myself!

you may, but i ask that you kindly remit payment of appropriate royalties.

[b_dubb]

the politically correct, left wing, white america pretty much blows.  i live in an affluent college town and they're fucking idiots.  over privileged, over educated idiots.  bereft of common sense.  they don't have any backbone either. no wonder they can only thrive in slackademia

[Michael Vandeven]

they don't have any backbone either. no wonder they can only thrive in slackademia

that's just it.  these people start out in college as students, and then find a way to STAY in college for the rest of their fucking lives until they're old enough to collect some sort of undeserved retirement.  they produce NOTHING to contribute to the GNP.  they strike me as empty vessels of condescension, consumption, and indifference.

[onan]

  they strike me as empty vessels of condescension, consumption, and indifference.

That pretty much sums up 90% of america, dont ya think?

[Lena]

what does that have to do with JFK?

[Michael Vandeven]

what does that have to do with JFK?

anyway... back on topic.

[Gabor Sweden751110]

that's just it.  these people start out in college as students, and then find a way to STAY in college for the rest of their fucking lives until they're old enough to collect some sort of undeserved retirement.  they produce NOTHING to contribute to the GNP.  they strike me as empty vessels of condescension, consumption, and indifference.

is i like  ,
exact what mean about cost over politic  too .

Were dangerous hev is system economist cost  ,
other people money pays from tax system .
People can vote have  not real power to vote out is system to closes dawn
Are dangerous system not have full control over economist cost  for is system