Author Topic: Do not attach Coast to Coast episodes to your messages. EVERYONE READ THIS.  (Read 6943 times)

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Michael Vandeven

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We have been served with a DMCA notice by the suits at Clear Channel.  Click here to read it.


What does this mean?  You are no longer allowed to attach Coast to Coast episodes in your posts.  You can, however, post links to shows as long as those links point to another server.


Please cancel your Streamlink accounts, everyone.  Please.  It's the only weapon we have to punish them for their stupidity.  I've never explicitly asked anyone to do this until now.  I hope all of you will.


This incident has only hastened my resolve to get my entire Art Bell collection posted on Bittorrent asap.  I promise this will happen soon.


RealCool Daddio

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Wow.  Incredibly near sighted of them.  Just......Wow. 
 
I have a bunch of shows, too, some already in torrents.  Are you on Demonoid?  Can you ping an account invite? 
 
Thanks,
RCD

Michael Vandeven

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Can you ping an account invite? 
 
Thanks,
RCD
check your inbox.

Michael Vandeven

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i have now removed EVERY piece of "offending" audio from this forum's server.  this means every attachment of c2c audio posted by every user since this forum's inception.  how fun that was.


clear channel... your actions suck.  all of your shows are easily pirated on bittorrent sites, and i encourage anyone reading this to do so.  again, please cancel your streamlink account, your rush 24/7 account, and any other account that feeds money into this dog shit enterprise.  it's all available for free... and EASILY acquirable.

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onan

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C2C flavor of the month is douchebag.

Silent

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I'm actually surprised they would do that.  I'm short on time right now and cannot elaborate the subject.  But, that sucks.  At least the show trading isn't an intregal part of the forums, at least not from what I can tell.

Michael Vandeven

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At least the show trading isn't an intregal part of the forums, at least not from what I can tell.
no, it's not, and in my way of thinking, that's what makes this all the more egregious.  it's funny that this happened after the sudden popularity of our "art bell quits" thread.  perhaps the network disapproves of what our users are saying about their substandard product.

M. Knight

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no, it's not, and in my way of thinking, that's what makes this all the more egregious.  it's funny that this happened after the sudden popularity of our "art bell quits" thread.  perhaps the network disapproves of what our users are saying about their substandard product.

They probably could care less if people posted Noory's shows.  The ones's people tend to post are the valuable non-Noory shows.

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why would anyone link to a Noory eFoods commercial anyway?  George Noory ... from the kingdom of boredom ... or ... the boredom of nye (sp?)

TaoOfLuxLisbon

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I'm not surprised. When you're charging six bucks a month or whatever it is now.......to listen to NOORY? Gotta make sure all the dollars are covered.

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Since they are reading....... Fuck Clear channel and Fuck George Noory.

I know it's low brow, but it is how I feel.

Fact is that they do not want us discussing the trainwreck that the show has become, nor do they want remembering coast in it's heyday when it was worth a shit. They simply can't stand the heat and wish to be a pain in the ass by using the only method available to them.

Sorry you have to endure this MV. This forum is one of my favorites, checked more often than many others on my daily strolls through cyberspace. Long live coastgab and the memory of a real host....Mr. Bell.

Damn I find this act on their part just disgusting...

regards,
Andy


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Since they are reading....... Fuck Clear channel and Fuck George Noory.

I know it's low brow, but it is how I feel.

Fact is that they do not want us discussing the trainwreck that the show has become, nor do they want remembering coast in it's heyday when it was worth a shit. They simply can't stand the heat and wish to be a pain in the ass by using the only method available to them.

Sorry you have to endure this MV. This forum is one of my favorites, checked more often than many others on my daily strolls through cyberspace. Long live coastgab and the memory of a real host....Mr. Bell.

Damn I find this act on their part just disgusting...

regards,
Andy


I agree whole heartedly. For them to do this is absolutely ridiculous. Fuck them and their corporate high horse bullshit. Complete assholes. But it feels good to know one of their trolls is browsing the forum. Hey Clear Channel go fuck yourself sideways with Worker In The Light.


Yours Truly,
GOFUCKYOURSELF   >:( >:( >:(


p.s. Fuck you too Noory. You suck at interviewing and I know you make shit up as you go along. You imbecile.
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HumanBeing

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What about if the C2C show was recorded off a stream and not the actual streamlink downloadable files? Are you allowed to post that? I'd like them to sue me for recording shows using SCREAMER RADIO.. friggin clear channel idiots think I'm not allowed to record a public broadcast!! Bring it on!!  >:( >:(

TaoOfLuxLisbon

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Since they are reading....... Fuck Clear channel and Fuck George Noory.

Maybe, but more likely there was first a Noory suckup who reads this board that pointed them in this direction.

onan

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What about if the C2C show was recorded off a stream and not the actual streamlink downloadable files? Are you allowed to post that? I'd like them to sue me for recording shows using SCREAMER RADIO.. friggin clear channel idiots think I'm not allowed to record a public broadcast!! Bring it on!!  >:( >:(

my thought is what if I bought a server in oh lets say the city of go fuck yourself, in eastern europe? what could they do?

Michael Vandeven

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What about if the C2C show was recorded off a stream and not the actual streamlink downloadable files?
i don't believe that's allowed.

Michael Vandeven

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my thought is what if I bought a server in oh lets say the city of go fuck yourself, in eastern europe? what could they do?
they could do absolutely nothing... and i DO encourage people to feel free to LINK to shows when relevant/necessary.  it's just that i can't host them on my server.

RealCool Daddio

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my thought is what if I bought a server in oh lets say the city of go fuck yourself, in eastern europe? what could they do?

I actually have very intimate knowledge of this, having worked in offshore banking, and in other offshore industries, that would sometimes run afoul of US law - while being perfectly legal in the jurisdiction in which you operate.  A good exaample would be Pirate Bay.  Basically, you can set the server up, and challenge the US goverment, or lawyers in the employ of a private US enterprise, to come after you.  If you are a US resident an citizen, they can sue your brains out.  If you reside in another jurisdiction that would extradite you for this "crime", you could also be in trouble.  Also (and this is where I have somewhat personal experience), you might want to avoid travel to the US.  I know of someone who was flying from London to the Bahamas, and the flight had to stop in New York due to technical issues, and blammo, arrested while trying to clear customs.
 
Now, as for freely distributing recordings of something that is freely broadcast, I think that you would probably win that case.  You would probably be penniless, having had to defend yourself in court against an army of corporate lawyers, but you would win.  You could not, however, make money from the endeavour.  Basically, the paralegal who sent the letter to MV's hosting company is counting on the fear of lawsuit.  They know full well that free recordings of broadcasts are essentially in the public domain (think Youtube, guys - they sure aren't asking for Art or George stuff to pulled from there, are they?  Because youtube would say "F U").
 
 


Michael Vandeven

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what can i say... i would LOVE to tell them to pound sand.  problem is, i'm not committed enough to this cause to pay anyone to represent me.  why bother?  i have enough "real life" things to worry about already.

RealCool Daddio

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what can i say... i would LOVE to tell them to pound sand.  problem is, i'm not committed enough to this cause to pay anyone to represent me.  why bother?  i have enough "real life" things to worry about already.

I absolutely agree with you, and certainly wasn't suggesting you become a penniless martyr for the cause - just the opposite in fact.  Corporate lawyers don't need to win cases, and can sue the bejesus out of people without care of being right, because very few people have the resources to stand up to them.  That's why the music industry went after consumers who downloaded music, as opposed to just the sites themselves (which quickly moved offshore for protection). 

anagrammy

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We have been served with a DMCA notice by the suits at Clear Channel.  Click here to read it.


What does this mean?  You are no longer allowed to attach Coast to Coast episodes in your posts.  You can, however, post links to shows as long as those links point to another server.


Please cancel your Streamlink accounts, everyone.  Please.  It's the only weapon we have to punish them for their stupidity. I've never explicitly asked anyone to do this until now.  I hope all of you will.


This incident has only hastened my resolve to get my entire Art Bell collection posted on Bittorrent asap.  I promise this will happen soon.

There is no reason to think it's the "only" thing that can be done.  This action is actually quite a compliment.  OF COURSE, they are monitoring this site. That's what they have interns for--they have to monitor the public reaction to their hosts.  Apparently, something happened on this board that got to them.  We all love the examination of facts by our crypto people, or the speculation about disclosure (as if), etc.  Let's do some ourselves.  Coastgab was tolerated up until now, so putting yourselves in their shoes, what got their panties in such a bunch?  I scrolled over the discussion under "Art Bell Quits" (which of course they can't BELIVE is still going).  Lo and behold, there's Sheila's comment and speculations about THEM and Noory's part in the whole thing. 

The next poster said it was the first time anyone had brought that up (which wasn't literally true, but they probably thought so).  They slam down their laptop lid and report back to the suits that Coastgab is now denigrating the STATION!  TOO FAR--THEY"VE GONE TOO FAR the suits shout, then order coffee and have a brainstorming session on how to cripple those dirt-talking bastards (us). 

They came up with the ONLY THING THEY CAN DO.  Threaten legal action to remove the shows.  Which is laughable because they're all over.  So the point is harrassment, which is an indirect compliment because we have gotten under their skins.  They know perfectly well their radio product is on life support.  If they weren't worried, they wouldn't feel the need to do anything as public as pulling their shows.  Most TV and radio show producers beg people to circulate their stuff...  I am suppressing a laugh as I type this.

They have to remove the shows from this site because WE ARE RIGHT and attaching the offending show is our simple proof.  It is crap--we knew it and now, thanks to their temper tantrum, WE KNOW THEY KNOW IT, TOO!   

Quitting Streamlink is not the only thing we can do in protest.  We can call in and ask a host why Clear Channel prevents critics from posting the shows.  Sometimes we post ones we love.  Quite often in fact, so, Mr. Noory, where's the freedom for the Coast audience to express their opinions?  Another question: Is Clear Channel the first radio production company to try to squelch the distribution of their shows on the internet? 

No, Michael, cancelling Streamlink is only the beginning of what we can do. 

Anagrammy

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I am sure the reason they have their panties in a bunch is because 99% of the shows shared are Art's not Noory..if it were the other way around you wouldn't hear a word.

RealCool Daddio

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I am sure the reason they have their panties in a bunch is because 99% of the shows shared are Art's not Noory..if it were the other way around you wouldn't hear a word.

You could be right.  The letter was from a paralegal, though, and it was a form letter at that.  More likely it is close to annual performance appraisal time, and the eager little beaver is pinging cease and desist letters to anyone she can track down.  I bet if we did some digging, we would find that the same para has sent letters to Rush fan sites/hate sites, Dr. Laura sites, whoever ( I really don't know who is in their stable these days, but you get my point.)

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 Does anyone know if any of the other Coast fan sites got dinged?

Anagrammy

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Well, well, well... this thread makes an interesting read (skimming) - I had posted somewhere here before about a similar situation I encountered a few years back, except I got a email directly from one of their lawyers. I'll post it all at a later date - I am out-of-state - in fact, just a few miles from ArtBellFan! (I grew up here ABF)

Of course they are bastards, but that will just strengthen all our resolves to make it even EASIER to get the shows.

So not to worry - (not that anyone is/was) - the shows can still be had, just not as attachments.

Wow MV - sorry you had to do all that work deleting - that would be a job I would not envy  :(

Onwards and upwards! Positive thoughts! Lots of options always available.

HAL 9K

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Since I am still new here, I want to confirm with y'all that the objective in panning the Noory shows (and any other hosts that stink) is to raise the quality of the show.  I consider myself a Coast fan and I am viewing the show as I would if a friend began exhibiting symptoms of mental illness that, if left, untreated could render him dysfunctional. 

I am thinking we would ask that the program rotate the regular hosts during the week and let Noory have less hours for "personal family reasons" so nobody's upset.  Clear Channel dodged a bullet when that one guy flpped his story and Ian Punnett had to wing the whole show for two hours. Noory could not have done it--he would have had to hiss into the microphone and pretend there were technical difficulties.

So do you agree with me ?  We are trying to save the show and there is plenty we can do if we are on the same page.


Anagrammy

Michael Vandeven

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So do you agree with me ?  We are trying to save the show and there is plenty we can do if we are on the same page.


Anagrammy
i have to be blunt here.  i'm not interested in saving this show.  at all.  i see today's version of c2cAM as nothing more than a financial vehicle for premiere/clear channel, and i am not particularly eager to help secure its future viability... be that through advice provided to them by us or otherwise.


while i don't expect art to go solo, i sure hope he does.  recent DMCA events have only solidified these hopes.

b_dubb

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@ Anagrammy

agreed

Silent

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I don't want to be a pessimist here but I have to agree with Michael on that.  I enjoy Saturday's with Ian but that's all and I'm okay with it.  Wasting time hoping that they'll adjust the show to your liking is just that, a waste.  I don't say that out of some hatred for Clear Channel, Premier, or CTC.  They have their target audiance and if it's not you they probably don't care what you think.  You've just got to take what parts you enjoy and forget the rest.  Don't spend time holding out hope that a big business is going to take care of you.  And to be honest, if you're a fan of the old Art Bell hosted shows, your best bet is to just hope that all of CTC fails and goes away.  That would leave a void to be filled by some fresh blood.  CTC is just way too tied in with business these days to ever have that grass roots feel to it again.  This is all just my views on it.

Also, it seems to me that the show is doing just fine as far as a business.  I doubt they would want to change much of their formula that's working for them.