Topic: disclosure

[b_dubb]

re: roswell ... when they issued the initial press release regarding the recovery of a flying disc ... did that come from the intelligence office at the base? or from a rancher talking to a newspaper guy who'd had too much irish coffee? 

the roswell story can be torn apart like any other ufo story.  but the fact remains that someone issued a press release indicating a flying disc had been recovered.  if that someone was the brass at the local military base, then it's noteworthy.  if not for the fact that a disc had been recovered then for the fact that military personnel who were in charge of nuclear weapons and materials mistook a weather balloon for a crashed ufo. 

what makes me think that there's more to roswell than just a weather balloon is the fact that ranchers in the area knew what these balloons looked like because if you found one you could return it to the base and get $25.  which in 1947 was a LOT of money.  especially for a rancher. 

that and the fact that (as i recall - could be wrong here) the military issued a press release saying they'd discovered a crashed flying disc.  that's a pretty huge screw up for a base that was involved in highly sensitive, classified activities

[Roger]

Someone once said the Roswell fiasco was amplified to cover up a much more
significant event that happened elsewhere at the Mexico border.

Diluting the information stream with a bunch of irrelevant datums. Same
principle as legerdermain or slight-of-hand: watch the wrong hand you miss
the trick being done with the other.

Now there is the 'Aztec' crash and maybe one or two other locations that
have been talked about.

Whether any of these deal with 'alien' crafts or some other form of
clandestine air-born experiments that endangered the public . . . ?

Situation normal: all fucked up. (SNAFU).

[b_dubb]

David Hatcher Childress notes some ancient texts from an oral source,
now reduced to print, that amongst the different classes of 'flying

childress has the most annoying manner of speaking.  watching Ancient Aliens and damn is that guy annoying.  well ... most of the people in that series annoy me

[fysisist]

I watched the Ancient Aliens series, it's the same old cast of characters speculating wildly without much basis.  On top of that, throw some cameos in of George Noory and you have a real turd on your hands. 

Agree, that David Hatched Childrens guy is totally and completely annoying.  I don't know if that is a Boston accent or what, but god almighty it is irritating.  And the guy is totally full of sh!t, too. 

[Jethro Capone]

the term 'extra-terrestrial' was used in conjunction with other words that suggest that the legal language may have been referring to weapon systems designed for use in different regions of the atmosphere or proximity to the planet. 


more exactly ... the phrase appears like this ...


(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons and;


it's still a really interesting article.  though ... probably not a slip up disclosure.

Your initial take is probably right. That part of the treaty likely referred to weapons not based in the terrestrial sphere (lunar lasers of doom).

[b_dubb]

http://youtu.be/WONp3o31kXg

[Jethro]

I believe the language in the first post "extra-terrestrial weapons" referred to any weapon based on our Moon or any other extra-terrestrial body.

Even though I don't believe in the UFO phenomenon, I personally, along with my wife and son SAW, on a very clear morning, a UFO or something that seemed to be flying. We were traveling south on a very straight highway in very flat farmland in Northeast Arkansas. I saw a very bright and small lit (white) object very far and just to the right of the road. It was making a 180 degree turn. I thought it was a crop duster making a turn from the way it was moving. My son yelled from the back seat "what is that?" After about three seconds and completing the turned, it streaked off at about 30 degrees upward across the horizon and faded out.  If it was solid, it would have been traveling very fast. Much faster than a crop duster. We see many of those during that time of year.

After thinking about it a while. I could see where it may be some sort of atmospheric reflection. It looked very bright, but not solid. From our direction of travel and the position of the Sun, it may have been a reflection. Even though it has been 15 years, it is still very clear in all of our minds.

If there finally is clear "disclosure", I will be the first to admit I was wrong. I have been reading about UFO's since I was a child and truly "I Want to Believe." 
   

[b_dubb]

http://youtu.be/gq4izhwg3Mo

[11angeleyes11]

This is perplexing to me.  Steven Bassett on February 23, 2012, made an appearance on Coast for The Disclosure Petition II - The Rockefeller Initiative concerning ufology disclosure.  The petition requires a mere 25,000 signatures to be acknowledged and responded to by the White House.  It would seem with the alleged vastness of the Coast audience that getting that many signatures would have been accomplished within a week.

The Coast website is keeping a tally on how many signatures remain needed.  The last posting on the website was that 20,000 signatures were still needed.   That was just a couple of days ago.  Either the Coast audience is not proactive, does not want to put personal information on a White House website, or the power of the impact of the show has waned or is not as significance as we are led to believe.  25,000 signatures should have been hit out of the park within a week, if that were true. 

Truly, I want Mr. Bassett to obtain the 25,000 signatures, but it needs a nudge.  Time is short and disclosure remains illusive. 

[b_dubb]

UFOS ARE REAL 1958 Mike Wallace TV Show Pt.1

[McPhallus]

I'm going to take a stab at a couple of reasons:


1. People may be assuming that the government will never disclose and yet another petition will accomplish nothing.
2.  People are able to make their own conclusions and don't need a government declaration.
3.  Current coast fans are merely listening to pass the time and probably forgot about the petition 5 minutes after hearing about it.

This is perplexing to me.  Steven Bassett on February 23, 2012, made an appearance on Coast for The Disclosure Petition II - The Rockefeller Initiative concerning ufology disclosure.  The petition requires a mere 25,000 signatures to be acknowledged and responded to by the White House.  It would seem with the alleged vastness of the Coast audience that getting that many signatures would have been accomplished within a week.

The Coast website is keeping a tally on how many signatures remain needed.  The last posting on the website was that 20,000 signatures were still needed.   That was just a couple of days ago.  Either the Coast audience is not proactive, does not want to put personal information on a White House website, or the power of the impact of the show has waned or is not as significance as we are led to believe.  25,000 signatures should have been hit out of the park within a week, if that were true. 

Truly, I want Mr. Bassett to obtain the 25,000 signatures, but it needs a nudge.  Time is short and disclosure remains illusive.

[b_dubb]

Disclosure ain't happenin'. The Guvmnt has nothing to gain. Unless we were being invaded

[Mulvaney]

Disclosure ain't happenin'. The Guvmnt has nothing to gain. Unless we were being invaded

People have had organized campaigns for disclosure, and predicting imminent disclosure, since at least the Eisenhower days.  But disclosure, like the phenomenon itself, is always just out of reach.  Some things never change

[Oversoul]

Tonight's show on "disclosure" was such a boring dud.  The discussions on the subject felt over-stretched and tasted like rehashed left-over food from the Christmas party five years ago.  Nothing new by way of content was introduced by the guests.  The show only gave Noory an excuse to recycle his "stock knowledge" accumulated over years of beating the topic to a dry pulp in C2C.  Year after year, the pundits claim disclosure is at hand or they agitate for disclosure by authorities.  Does disclosure really matter after all this much ado about no-show? 

Enough, please C2C/Noory.  Just let those ET aliens (if they exist and are around) do their thing whenever and however they please.  Disclosure is not going to bring food at our table, lower our income taxes, pay our bills or rent, buy us a new home, or put an end to the f__king human condition. 

If anything else, start with a disclosure over the show of how awful C2C has become under Noory's watch.

[texaskdog]

Only way it will ever happen is if a disc crashes, someone actually calls the media who reports it and gets pictures before the military can get there, and then the gubmint will act as surprised as anyone.  Surprised in 65 years it's never actually happened that way.

[b_dubb]

there have been no crashes. I'm convinced Roswell was the tip of the spear for the disinformation campaign. I find it hard to believe that such advanced craft would crash for any reason once they got here. we definitely didn't shoot them down

[ziznak]

Hey Dubb there's an old Art Bell show with Lloyd Pye the author of "everything you know is wrong" as well as a pack of videos I found and happened to watch quite recently (like last week).  Pye's theories are intelligent and very stimulating.  He's a HUGE Sitchin enthusiast much like myself and he makes A LOT of sense.  I think that there has been ongoing govt campaigns to misinform or cloud our knowledge about aliens and UFO's. As far as what exactly the govt knows or has in it's possesion remains illusive and open to speculation unfortunately.  The idea that full disclosure would ever take place without the proverbial white-house lawn landing happening first is just nuts.  They're not going to just volunteer that type of information as I'm sure all of the data shows that the impact on the public's psyche would result in utter pandemonium.

[stevesh]

Hey Dubb there's an old Art Bell show with Lloyd Pye the author of "everything you know is wrong" as well as a pack of videos I found and happened to watch quite recently (like last week).  Pye's theories are intelligent and very stimulating.  He's a HUGE Sitchin enthusiast much like myself and he makes A LOT of sense.  I think that there has been ongoing govt campaigns to misinform or cloud our knowledge about aliens and UFO's. As far as what exactly the govt knows or has in it's possesion remains illusive and open to speculation unfortunately.  The idea that full disclosure would ever take place without the proverbial white-house lawn landing happening first is just nuts.  They're not going to just volunteer that type of information as I'm sure all of the data shows that the impact on the public's psyche would result in utter pandemonium.

Pye can actually be interesting when he isn't babbling about that stupid skull.

I think the whole Sitchin thing is just another creation myth, but Noory seems to eat it up.

The idea that the whole world would panic and descend into chaos if disclosure happened (assuming there's anything to disclose) seems goofy to me. This is the 21st century after all, and we don't live in some backward aboriginal society. The Bible (and Koran) thumpers might be pissed, but I don't see them destroying the world in response, and they're a small minority anyway.

[b_dubb]

I don't care for Sitchin at all. People give too much credit to people with above average linguistic skills. case in point: Giorgio tsouklas (sp?).