Author Topic: the Amazing Kreskin (Read 1567 times)

b_dubb · « **on:** January 13, 2011, 01:07:51 PM »

has Kreskin ever been on Coast? he's pretty ... um ... amazing

http://www.hulu.com/watch/154381/the-amazing-world-of-kreskin-kreskin-and-dr-joyce-brothers

GuerrillaUnReal · « **Reply #1 on:** January 13, 2011, 01:55:03 PM »

Kreskin has been thrown off the show and banned by Art Bell in one of the most classic shows in my memory haha. Back in the day Kreskin staged this elaborate event in Las Vegas where he claimed he would summon alien spaceships in what he would claim was going to be the greatest UFO sighting in history. He went on Art's show to promote the event. Well the event grew completely out of control with several thousand people showing up and of course the motherships never came. So Kreskin later went on the show with Art with some kind of lame story and Art tore him to shreds and banned him from the show on air. It was a pretty epic ordeal.

b_dubb · « **Reply #2 on:** January 13, 2011, 02:05:34 PM »

interesting. i am guessing Kreskin was trying to use hypnotic suggestion or something like it to induce a mass sighting. pretty ambitious.

i'd love to listen to these episodes if someone has them archived

The General · « **Reply #3 on:** January 13, 2011, 02:23:58 PM »

Quote from: GuerrillaUnReal on January 13, 2011, 01:55:03 PM

Kreskin has been thrown off the show and banned by Art Bell in one of the most classic shows in my memory haha. Back in the day Kreskin staged this elaborate event in Las Vegas where he claimed he would summon alien spaceships in what he would claim was going to be the greatest UFO sighting in history. He went on Art's show to promote the event. Well the event grew completely out of control with several thousand people showing up and of course the motherships never came. So Kreskin later went on the show with Art with some kind of lame story and Art tore him to shreds and banned him from the show on air. It was a pretty epic ordeal.

I forgot about that! awesome. I'd love to hear the aftermath show again.

GuerrillaUnReal · « **Reply #4 on:** January 13, 2011, 02:39:15 PM »

Quote from: b_dubb on January 13, 2011, 02:05:34 PM

interesting. i am guessing Kreskin was trying to use hypnotic suggestion or something like it to induce a mass sighting. pretty ambitious.

i'd love to listen to these episodes if someone has them archived

You are absolutely correct sir. The sighting was supposed to take place after Kreskin's Vegas show where he hypnotically influenced about 200 or so people to try to see the ships. The classic show I refer to is when Art held open lines for people only in Las Vegas and the series of events that unfolded as Art talked to eye witnesses was some of the best C2C I've ever heard. That show also had a great Bob Lazar interview after the first hour.

You're in luck, I was able to track down the show in my hundreds of hundreds C2C mp3s

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GuerrillaUnReal · « **Reply #5 on:** January 13, 2011, 03:14:19 PM »

I'll see if I can find the show where Art banned Kreskin from the show. I know I have it somewhere in my archives but I don't remember what show it was on. I'll try to track it down.

Kreskin was banned on the 06-08-02 Open Lines show if anyone has that show in their archives. Most of my MP3s don't have dates and I have a ton of C2Cs scattered through my hard drive without proper labeling, so if anyone finds it before I do that'd be cool.

Bosco · « **Reply #6 on:** January 13, 2011, 03:24:15 PM »

It is the June 8, 2002 show.

http://abmp3.com/download/3569105-kreskin-banned-06-07-2002.html

b_dubb · « **Reply #7 on:** January 13, 2011, 07:40:49 PM »

why doesn't Art or Noory bust Hoagland's or Dames's balls like Art lays into Kreskin in that clip? further evidence that Art might be a colossal asshole

Agent : Orange · « **Reply #8 on:** January 14, 2011, 04:39:23 AM »

No way, Art's not an asshole for holding Kreskin to his word. Kreskin had that coming. If he would have said at the beginning, "this is a demonstration of psychological manipulation" or actually ponied up the cash for charity that he promised, none of this would have happened. The guy brought it on himself.

Thanks so much for posting that link, Bosco! 24 karat gold! I would love to hear the rest of this show. Did Art take calls after Kreskin was banned?

The General · « **Reply #9 on:** January 14, 2011, 11:48:49 AM »

Quote from: b_dubb on January 13, 2011, 07:40:49 PM

why doesn't Art or Noory bust Hoagland's or Dames's balls like Art lays into Kreskin in that clip? further evidence that Art might be a colossal asshole

I think the difference here is that Dames and Hoagland believe what they say. Kreskin's motivation was deception from the start. Art doesn't have to believe the guest, but Art must feel strongly that the guest believes what they are saying.

b_dubb · « **Reply #10 on:** January 14, 2011, 12:22:09 PM »

Hoagland believes. Dames is out to make a buck. Kreskin is an entertainer. Anyone who's familiar with him would know that. Deception is a strong word. Any 'deception' was probably necessary for the hypnotic suggestion effect to work. The whole event sounds like a colossal cluster fuck.

Art Crow · « **Reply #11 on:** July 26, 2011, 05:58:19 PM »

Quote from: Agent : Orange on January 14, 2011, 04:39:23 AM

I would love to hear the rest of this show. Did Art take calls after Kreskin was banned?

Phil Krapf was on after the break. Open lines started an hour later with: "The only thing I don't want to do is get into a discussion about the Kreskin affair... I don't want to enlarge on that, debate that, or argue that with callers one way or the other." Here's the June 7 show.

Here's the June 6 show with the event in the first hour.

Art Crow · « **Reply #12 on:** July 26, 2011, 06:26:56 PM »

Here are Kreskin's two wind-up appearances, in the first hours of the May 17 and May 29 shows.

b_dubb · « **Reply #13 on:** January 31, 2012, 12:19:35 PM »

i've been watching "the Amazing Kreskin" on Hulu.com. at no point does Kreskin say that he's achieving his effect through supernatural means. it's always "natural" means. through observation and reading people and by using the power of suggestion. Art bitching out Kreskin for not actually summoning flying saucers is like Art bitching out Penn & Teller because they're magicians and not sorcerers. yes ... further evidence that Art is a jerk

Eddie Coyle · « **Reply #14 on:** January 31, 2012, 02:31:53 PM »

Quote from: b_dubb on January 31, 2012, 12:19:35 PM

i've been watching "the Amazing Kreskin" on Hulu.com. at no point does Kreskin say that he's achieving his effect through supernatural means. it's always "natural" means. through observation and reading people and by using the power of suggestion. Art bitching out Kreskin for not actually summoning flying saucers is like Art bitching out Penn & Teller because they're magicians and not sorcerers. yes ... further evidence that Art is a jerk

Here's where I agree that Art was a jerk to him...simply because Art never treated Ed Dames in that manner, even though Dames was a prince of prevarication and constantly lying or changing the goalposts during the game. Art, and maybe this is a product of serving in the military, rarely ever,if at all, "pulled rank" on guests who had a military background...no matter how full of shit they were.

Ben Shockley · « **Reply #15 on:** January 31, 2012, 04:49:24 PM »

Quote from: Eddie Coyle on January 31, 2012, 02:31:53 PM

...Art...rarely ever,if at all, "pulled rank" on guests who had a military background...no matter how full of shit they were.

For all of Art's professed "rebel" tendencies and "Libertarian-ness," he showed plenty of evidence of being a classic authoritarian personality. There's a whole lotta "yes, sir!" in him.

Agent : Orange · « **Reply #16 on:** January 31, 2012, 05:52:34 PM »

I agree that Art should have called out more of the guests who put their necks on the chopping block. Or maybe should not have called out Kreskin. I think the comment about donating to charity and the subsequent weaseling was the problem Art had with the whole thing.

b_dubb · « **Reply #17 on:** January 31, 2012, 06:29:49 PM »

Quote from: Agent : Orange on January 31, 2012, 05:52:34 PM

I think the comment about donating to charity and the subsequent weaseling was the problem Art had with the whole thing.

can you clarify? i don't recall anything about charity

Eddie Coyle · « **Reply #18 on:** January 31, 2012, 07:30:29 PM »

Quote from: Ben Shockley on January 31, 2012, 04:49:24 PM

For all of Art's professed "rebel" tendencies and "Libertarian-ness," he showed plenty of evidence of being a classic authoritarian personality. There's a whole lotta "yes, sir!" in him.

Yes, and two examples I always refer to is: (1) he and Whitley's bemusement at those who bristled at a "New World Order", Art seemed strangely acquiesent, if not downright approving of a one world government.(2) During the 9/11 Commission hearings in 2003/04, Art was steadfastly approving of the findings and had little patience for those who showed the slightest skepticism.

Agent : Orange · « **Reply #19 on:** February 01, 2012, 12:51:12 AM »

Quote from: b_dubb on January 31, 2012, 06:29:49 PM

can you clarify? i don't recall anything about charity

I may be mistaken, as I haven't listened to this show in a while. But I remember Kreskin making a comment to the effect that if no UFOs showed up and the prediction was incorrect he would make a contribution to some charity from his own pocket. I may be wrong about that, but I specifically remember more being on the line than just a prediction. Art called Kreskin on this and he tried to argue a way around it.

Again, I may be misremembering the facts surrounding the whole thing.

Ben Shockley · « **Reply #20 on:** February 01, 2012, 06:42:23 PM »

The 6 June 02 show is on fineartstream right now. Apparently not with Kreskin himself on the show, but Art anticipating whatever was supposed to happen, and having his webcam pointed toward Las Vegas so we could "watch"....

b_dubb · « **Reply #21 on:** February 02, 2012, 01:59:38 PM »

they don't call him the Pretty Good Kreskin. no they call him the Amazing Kreskin. and here's why:


Kreskin live on Fox News with Mike Huckabee

pretty amazing

Michael Vandeven · « **Reply #22 on:** February 04, 2012, 04:45:22 PM »

Quote from: Agent : Orange on February 01, 2012, 12:51:12 AM

I may be mistaken, as I haven't listened to this show in a while. But I remember Kreskin making a comment to the effect that if no UFOs showed up and the prediction was incorrect he would make a contribution to some charity from his own pocket. I may be wrong about that, but I specifically remember more being on the line than just a prediction. Art called Kreskin on this and he tried to argue a way around it.

Again, I may be misremembering the facts surrounding the whole thing.

that's what happened.

kreskin promised to donate money to some charity (i think $50k) if his promised UFOs didn't show up. they didn't. art subsequently asked kreskin about the donation since his end of the bet didn't pan out. kreskin weasled around it and insisted he wasn't going to pay, art got pissed, and that's it. art's anger had nothing to do with the fact that the UFOs didn't show. it was kreskin's dishonesty that got him kicked and banned from the show.

M. Knight · « **Reply #23 on:** February 04, 2012, 04:55:58 PM »

Quote from: b_dubb on February 02, 2012, 01:59:38 PM

they don't call him the Pretty Good Kreskin. no they call him the Amazing Kreskin. and here's why:

Kreskin live on Fox News with Mike Huckabee

pretty amazing

I think the ding bat who didn't know what color her card was is amazing. Good ole American edercasion.

b_dubb · « **Reply #24 on:** February 04, 2012, 05:00:53 PM »

what I vaguely remember is that some of The people Kreskin "worked with" reported ufo's. no one outside of Kreskin's group reported anything. without going back and listening to the Kreskin show I can't say what happened. I will say this: saying you'll donate to a charity depending in the outcome of ... whatever ... is in poor taste. I mean how big a dick would I be if I said that I'd donate $50k to cancer victims if the Patriots one Super Bowel 46 but if they lost ... cancer research gets nothing. I think I'd deserve a swift kick in the pills. Good thing I'm not a betting man

Michael Vandeven · « **Reply #25 on:** February 05, 2012, 12:18:23 AM »

Quote from: b_dubb on February 04, 2012, 05:00:53 PM

I will say this: saying you'll donate to a charity depending in the outcome of ... whatever ... is in poor taste. I mean how big a dick would I be if I said that I'd donate $50k to cancer victims if the Patriots one Super Bowel 46 but if they lost ... cancer research gets nothing. I think I'd deserve a swift kick in the pills. Good thing I'm not a betting man

haha, you're very right about this.

slipstream · « **Reply #26 on:** February 05, 2012, 05:12:58 AM »

Quote from: Michael Vandeven on February 04, 2012, 04:45:22 PM

it was kreskin's dishonesty that got him kicked and banned from the show.

That is one of my favorites moments from the show. So much so that I remember listening to this show (on a recording I made) back in 2003. Yes, it was great listening to the weasel get banned and hung up on. What a fraud that guy is.

b_dubb · « **Reply #27 on:** February 05, 2012, 11:04:41 AM »

Quote from: slipstream on February 05, 2012, 05:12:58 AM

That is one of my favorites moments from the show. So much so that I remember listening to this show (on a recording I made) back in 2003. Yes, it was great listening to the weasel get banned and hung up on. What a fraud that guy is.

Kreskin is an entertainer - mentalist. He has never claimed to be anything more than that (at least that I am aware of). I don't think it is fair to call him a fraud. Is Chris Angel a fake?

The General · « **Reply #28 on:** February 05, 2012, 11:28:52 AM »

Quote from: b_dubb on February 05, 2012, 11:04:41 AM

Kreskin is an entertainer - mentalist. He has never claimed to be anything more than that (at least that I am aware of). I don't think it is fair to call him a fraud. Is Chris Angel a fake?

I always get the Amazing Randi and the Amazing Kreskin confused. The 'amazing' thing always makes me have to think for a moment about which one is being discussed. Kreskin looks like Larry King and Randi looks like C Everett Koop.