Topic: John Titor

[anagrammy]

The most compelling thing to me is Titor's prediction that we would "lose a skyscraper in New York."  How could he know that?  Like the breasts on the Patterson film Bigfoot, some things cannot be faked.

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[Agent : Orange]

The most compelling thing to me is Titor's prediction that we would "lose a skyscraper in New York."  How could he know that?  Like the breasts on the Patterson film Bigfoot, some things cannot be faked.

Anagrammy

But he never really predicted anything there. "Losing a skyscraper in new york" is not specific enough to prove anything and could be retrodicted to fit a large number of scenarios including among others, a construction initiative to bring down a historic landmark site. I don't take Titor's supposed prediction as evidence at all.

Any one of us that found themselves flung through time to the late 90s could have given a better warning knowing what we do of the events of 9/11. Like, "Hey, you should expect the twin towers to come down as the result of an attack by terrorists hijacking passenger jets on the morning of September 11, 2001. At least, that's how it happened in my universe." Titor didn't give dates or times that could be useful in verifying his story which means his fishing for hits was just that. Why speak so vaguely if our future is an open book to him? In fact I don't find much difference between Titor's stories and the quatrains of Nostradamus. They are vague enough that they can be shoehorned to fit almost whatever agenda the interpreter has which makes them useless as predictive statements.

Also the "breasts" on the Patterson suit aren't enough for me to be convinced of the films authenticity either, and certainly could easily have been faked. For example the ape suits at the beginning of 2001 were much more convincing to me than the suit (there, I said it) that's in the Patterson-Gimlin film.

Just my $0.02, for what it's worth.

[Do you think it was angels?]

We didn't lose a skyscraper, we lost two.  Is that such a detail so trivial enough to be forgotten in a few decades?

[anagrammy]

We didn't lose a skyscraper, we lost two.  Is that such a detail so trivial enough to be forgotten in a few decades?

Aw, too easy, Angels-- In HIS dimension, we lost one!  Ch-Ching!

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[Agent : Orange]

Aw, too easy, Angels-- In HIS dimension, we lost one!  Ch-Ching!

Part of why Titors was such a great hoax - his "predictions" are completely unfalsifiable.
By the same coin, this means they are absolutely useless to us in verifying his story. This is more reason why his time travel claim - which already sounds like a pretty big fish story - should be treated as hokum. It answers a number of potentially debilitating questions in a way that allows it to sidestep answering them completely. Which gives it more of an air of legitimacy in a naive way, while really saying nothing at all.

Again, just my $0.02. That's Canadian pocket change too, so buyer beware. It's doing alright now but was significantly less valuable a few years ago.

[texaskdog]

The IBM 5100 was a great detail.

I always think about this when someone at work needs to use my computer and since I never got my new one, I'm the only one with the old programs that they actually still need.

[morphiaflow]

Noory notwithstanding, the Titor story is the one that I always HOPED had something to it, partly because I'm a sucker for time travel, alternate realities, parallel dimensions etc (love the BTTF films, the first 2 Terminators, some Star Trek!), and partly because there WERE a few eerie connections. However, I'll agree that Noory seems to have completely dropped the ball on following up on it, which is a damned shame.

[anagrammy]

Noory notwithstanding, the Titor story is the one that I always HOPED had something to it, partly because I'm a sucker for time travel, alternate realities, parallel dimensions etc (love the BTTF films, the first 2 Terminators, some Star Trek!), and partly because there WERE a few eerie connections. However, I'll agree that Noory seems to have completely dropped the ball on following up on it, which is a damned shame.

Me, too, Morphia-- I WANT TO BELIEVE!  Your post got me thinking about previous Titor update shows done by Art.  He usually lead in with a hook from the news.  He would say we live in a wonderful country, America.  The United States.  United because we all believe in freedom and some founding governing principles, right.  Well, my update sheet this morning says some of these united states, and a growing number, want a divorce.  They want to quit the United States of America and go off on their own.  (Pause)  When I heard that, I thought of John Titor and the civil unrest he said was coming.  Could...this...be...the beginning of the end of the UNITED states?  Could we actually be seeing the beginning of a second civil war.  (Art is in no rush here)  You do remember John Titor, the time traveler?  For those of you new to Coast to Coast, we've been following a remarkable story...(recounts the story of the appearance/disappearance of John Titor). 
 
In view of the request by XX to secede from the Union, we have Oliver XX with us tonight as a special guest.  Oliver is the Titor family attorney and has been kind enough to act as an intermediary between the public and the Titor parents, who I understand have changed their name and moved to Nebraska.  Oliver has been following the John Titor predictions on a timeline and he has an update for Coast listeners, after the break....
 
Now THAT's an introduction that contributes to the quality of the show.  Oliver may not actually have anything to say, but he had an introduction that was so meaty you could almost be satisfied having been reminded that John Titor predicted this and was mad at us who live at this time for not stopping it.  Contrast that with a Noory intro:  John Titor was a time travelor or a hoaxster, depending on which side you take.  Oliver X claims to be a real attorney, and this has been proven, who represents the Titor family.  HEre then is Oliver.
 
George Noory can't have Oliver back because Oliver can't carry the show.  And neither can George.  Which is why CoastGab is still rolling along (to the dismay of Premiere).
 
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[texaskdog]

George could always use his fallback "call in with your stories about when you traveled back in time"

[Morgus]

I don't recall Art Bell ever covering John Titor, since that story started on the internet message boards during  the time Art was retired and completely off the air  during 2000 thru early 2001.
By the time Art returned to full time on the air in mid 2001, the John Titor poster had already stopped posting, having claimed to have left our time already, so nothing new since then from him.
Noory started covering the story for the first time on C2C a few years later when Art retired again is what I recall.
But each return visit from the guy Oliver Williams, who just started a website some years later to collect the postings from back in 2000-2001 by the John Titor poster, can only mostly rehash the same stuff since nothing new since Titor left our timeline from his postings back then.

Williams does however try to update any new current events that might correlate to a decade old Titor message board post, like the work at the CERN particle collider and black holes for example. The only really new developments were several years back when the family attorney and mother of the little young John Titor (remember thats a psudeoname) came out. But even that extra story seemed to have fizzled with no new updates  for years now...

[Morgus]

George could always use his fallback "call in with your stories about when you traveled back in time"

Unfortunately he never does that even when he has the John Titor webmaster back on a Friday night open lines show.
Art Bell used to have many great "time traveler line" call-in shows with some very good callers with time traveler stories from some future year.
Noory in contrast only picks generic lame open line topics like "your scariest story" or some such... 

[anagrammy]

I don't recall Art Bell ever covering John Titor, since that story started on the internet message boards during  the time Art was retired and completely off the air  during 2000 thru early 2001.
By the time Art returned to full time on the air in mid 2001, the John Titor poster had already stopped posting, having claimed to have left our time already, so nothing new since then from him.
Noory started covering the story for the first time on C2C a few years later when Art retired again is what I recall.
But each return visit from the guy Oliver Williams, who just started a website some years later to collect the postings from back in 2000-2001 by the John Titor poster, can only mostly rehash the same stuff since nothing new since Titor left our timeline from his postings back then.

Williams does however try to update any new current events that might correlate to a decade old Titor message board post, like the work at the CERN particle collider and black holes for example. The only really new developments were several years back when the family attorney and mother of the little young John Titor (remember thats a psudeoname) came out. But even that extra story seemed to have fizzled with no new updates  for years now...

FAXES From John Titor to Art Bell 2007:



Dear Art ,
I had to fax when I heard other time travelers calling in from any time past the year 2500 AD.
please let me explain....

Time travel was invented in 2034 off shoots of certain successful fusion reactor research allowed scientists at CERN to produce the worlds first contained singularity engine.

The basic design involves rotating singularities inside a magnetic feild. By altering the speed and direction
of rotation you can travel both forward and backward in time.

time itself can be understood in terms of connected lines. When you go back in time you travel on your original time line when you turn the singularity engine off a new time line is created due to the fact that you and your time machine are now there.

In other words a new universe is created. To get back to your original line you must travel a split second farther back and immediately throw the engine into forward without turning it off.

some interesting outcomes of this are:
you meet yourself I have done it often even taken a younger version of myself along for a few rides before returning myself to the new timeline and going back to mine.

You can alter history in the new universe that you have just created. Most of the time the changes are subtle. the oldest one was a sky scraper that don't exist in New York. Interestingly when you travel in time you must compensate for the orbit of the Earth since the time machine doesn't move you have to adjust the engine so you remain on the planet when you turn it off.

Now for the future you might want to know about..Y2K is a disaster . Many people die on the highways when they freeze to death trying to get to warmer weather. The gov. tries to keep power by instituting marshall law but all of it collapses when their efforts to bring the power back up fail.

A few years later communial government system is developed after the constitution takes a few twists.

China retakes Tiawan
Isreal wins the largest battle for their life.
and Russia is covered in Nuclear snow
from their collapsed reactors.



"Alright I wanted to read you something as I received it.
its from a time traveler."Art Bell says.

FAX TWO:

Dear Mr. Bell I am glad you 're back. I faxed this information to you the day before you left the air. I wanted to make sure it was n't lost in the shuffle so I am sending a gift.
If you've already seen this please accept my apologies if you choose to make this public please do not publish the fax number.
I had to fax when I heard the other time traveler calling in from the recent time past infact the year 2500 Ad.

Let me explain...

Mr. Bell I sent a fax with this opening on July 29 1998.
As I said then I am a time traveler. I have been on this world line since April of this year and I plan to leave soon. Typically time travelers do not purposely affect the world lines they visit..however this mission is unusually long and I've grown attatched to some of the people I have met here. (isn't that the stockholm syndrome or something? - Art says)
Anyway for my own reasons I have decided to help this world line by sharing information about the future with a few poeople in the hope that it will help their future. I am contacting you for the same reason. Unfortunately there is no historical reference to your program in my worldline .

I beleive you can change your future by creating one now.
Some of the information presented on your program maybe invaluable to upline researchers . I suggest you isolate the programs that concentrate on military technology and new physics theories. Transcribe these programs and put them someplace safe away from the box. I recommend someplace in the mid west. (away from the box what does he mean?-art says) I also urge you to reconsider your paranoia to the Russians (I am not paranoid about the Russians)They are not preparing for war with the average US citizen . They are preparing for war with the US government. They will eventually save this country and the lives of million of Americans.

I realize my claims are a bit difficult to accept so I will send the following once I know you have recieved this fax.
A few pages from the operations manual of my time machine. And a few colored photographs of my vehicle.( alright so you know I got it send them along.-art says) If you wish to contact me I will be happy to share with you the nature of time , the physics of time travel and some of the events of your future.(God I hadn't read this earlier..) Please send a return package to (and he gives the number..) 

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[Seamus Capone]

What is this "Marshall Law" of which John Titor speaks? Is that like the Code of Hammurabi or Murphy's Law? You would think that a guy from the future would know that it's "martial law". Of course, this Marshall guy might be a future leader, for all I know. ;-)

[Morgus]

John Titor stopped posting and claimed to leave our timeline back in 2001.
A fax sent in 2007 was from some other time traveler.
No word has come from Titor since and he only posted at the one message board in 2000-2001, no faxes or emails. Lots of info on this at the johntitor.com website.
There might be some who thought some faxes earlier were from the same guy, but thats only speculation. There were many callers claiming to be time travelers over the years including faxes back in the 90s.

Art Bell never was involved since it happened while he was retired at that time. He never mentioned John Titor by the name on the air that I can ever recall, only Noory.

[anagrammy]

John Titor stopped posting and claimed to leave our timeline back in 2001.
A fax sent in 2007 was from some other time traveler.
No word has come from Titor since and he only posted at the one message board in 2000-2001, no faxes or emails. Lots of info on this at the johntitor.com website.
There might be some who thought some faxes earlier were from the same guy, but thats only speculation. There were many callers claiming to be time travelers over the years including faxes back in the 90s.

Art Bell never was involved since it happened while he was retired at that time. He never mentioned John Titor by the name on the air that I can ever recall, only Noory.

Morgus - you do know that I made up that "Art" exchange, don't you?  Just for contrast in style--it is not a quote or a claim that Art ever entertained/interviewed/commented on Titor. 

I'm interested in all time travel callers and faxes, John Titor or not, for the entertainment value.  Occasionally I have a fit of nostalgia and WISH Art could interview someone instead of Noory, I'm sure you are familiar with that feeling.  It comes on with a swear word under the breath when Noory does not ask the logical next question and you look up, startled.  My favorite example of that was the time a guest said, "...the alien got out of the craft.  And then he spoke."  Noory never asked him what he said, instead he asked the guest some filler question like, "So...what's your favorite color, Jim?" 

To this DAY I feel annoyed when I think of it.

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[Morgus]

Morgus - you do know that I made up that "Art" exchange, don't you?  Just for contrast in style--it is not a quote or a claim that Art ever entertained/interviewed/commented on Titor. 

no i didn't know that, there was no hint of making it up that i could see.
no reason to make up stuff with Art anyway, the real stuff is already much better! 

The only connection with Art Bell that I saw was that the person calling themself John Titor (before that he used the name timetraveler0) posted around 2000-2001 at an old internet message board called "Post to Post AM" that was run by Art's old webmaster Keith Rowland I believe. Art himself didn't participate there however. That board was closed when Art retired and shutdown his website and Keith created a new site and board that was subscription (paid) only. He is also still webmaster for Richard Hoagland's website after all these years.

I remember when Titor was active on that message board and would almost daily respond to posted questions to him. A lot of those postings and Q&A are archived at the JohnTitor.com website that Oliver Williams years later created.

Art's many time traveler open lines were the best, some even better than the John Titor story. I recall a regular caller on these type lines, only known as "Steve" from the Galactic Federation.

Art also had some Antichrists call in back in the 90's on the "anti-christ line" and secrets were revealed on the "Area 51 employee" lines too.

Those were the days.
Now instead we are stuck with lame "tell your scariest story" type open lines. 

[texaskdog]

If I ever had my own radio show I'd have a friend call in as "John Titor" and I'd have him say a bunch of bizarre stuff.....and then like when his superbowl pick went wrong he'd say the timeline changed etc....would be a great humorous call every week.

Maybe one of us could call Noory and say we were Titor he'd probably buy it, at least Art would see the humor in it.

[anagrammy]

no i didn't know that, there was no hint of making it up that i could see.
no reason to make up stuff with Art anyway, the real stuff is already much better! 

The only connection with Art Bell that I saw was that the person calling themself John Titor (before that he used the name timetraveler0) posted around 2000-2001 at an old internet message board called "Post to Post AM" that was run by Art's old webmaster Keith Rowland I believe. Art himself didn't participate there however. That board was closed when Art retired and shutdown his website and Keith created a new site and board that was subscription (paid) only. He is also still webmaster for Richard Hoagland's website after all these years.

I remember when Titor was active on that message board and would almost daily respond to posted questions to him. A lot of those postings and Q&A are archived at the JohnTitor.com website that Oliver Williams years later created.

Art's many time traveler open lines were the best, some even better than the John Titor story. I recall a regular caller on these type lines, only known as "Steve" from the Galactic Federation.

Art also had some Antichrists call in back in the 90's on the "anti-christ line" and secrets were revealed on the "Area 51 employee" lines too.

Those were the days.
Now instead we are stuck with lame "tell your scariest story" type open lines. 

Yeah, that's what I miss--the unexpected.  It was quite exciting when Art would take the time to set up a situation-- say, tell a Bigfoot story or two and emphasize the smell.  Then ask for anybody to call in on the Bigfoot Stench Line if you've ever smelled one.  And we never knew what he was going to ask for--heck, it could be something you knew something about, like Keksburg witnesses one and all, on the Keksburg line....

The good ole' days all right. 

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[rangers1919]

They could never do something like this with the state of the show now. The only topics they are taking on are religious topics. Even the paranormal topics that they still talk about with guests that have been hanging on since the Bell days are getting asked primarily about angels and other religious topics instead of getting in depth questions about their topic which may or may not lead to religion. If someone started this topic now they may get a shot to have it discussed on the show once, but it wouldn't catch on. The general intelligence of the C2C audience has unfortunately plummeted as well, so they could never discuss the physics or other aspects of time travel without getting a bunch of idiotic callers or a confused gargle from the idiotic host.

[robg]

Stevenqbosell i dont know of the story your talking about, can you refer me to any sites about it?

Everyone here is a really good collection of John Titor Stuff: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread61544/pg1

If youve ever heard of his book "John Titor A Time Traveler's Tale"  Its nothing more than what you will read at the site mentioned above.

[John Thomas]

This is Ren1999.
I recognize some of you here.
I claim to be John Titor.

"Dear Art ,
I had to fax when I heard other time travelers calling in from any time past the year 2500 AD.
please let me explain...."

His call sign is Charlie Timeline 39.
Another guy with the call sign Aaron 2041 can be transposed as A Ren from 2041, where Ren means 'rename'.

"Time travel was invented in 2034 off shoots of certain successful fusion reactor research allowed scientists at CERN to produce the worlds first contained singularity engine."

A singularity in this particular context is a condensed marble of matter that is so heavy and massive that it bends time and space around it. This bent time and space looks like a bubble with a north and south pole, like an apple or a doughnut. If you stand before this bubble and look at your reflection in the bubble, that reflection becomes a clone of yourself. It is that clone that can travel backwards and forwards in time. It can warp space and travel great distances. It can teleport. When you reintegrate with your clone, one of you experiences a death of sorts. Two minds then become one sharing the experiences of both.

"The basic design involves rotating singularities inside a magnetic feild. By altering the speed and direction of rotation you can travel both forward and backward in time."

Basically, this functions as a really powerful rewind and fast forward function.

"time itself can be understood in terms of connected lines. When you go back in time you travel on your original time line when you turn the singularity engine off a new time line is created due to the fact that you and your time machine are now there."

This in effect, clones your entire universe. You are a clone of yourself experiencing a cloned universe. But just as stones thrown on water can influence the surface of the water, so can time lines influence each other. Your present timeline is like the trunk of a tree. The past is also a trunk until you start changing it, then the past becomes like roots of a tree. The future is always like the branches of a tree.

"In other words a new universe is created. To get back to your original line you must travel a split second farther back and immediately throw the engine into forward without turning it off."

Like from 1975 to 1973. 1975 and every year after that is altered and changes your timeline. But if you haven't been to 1973, that timeline is yet to be altered. You leave it unaltered and then you can travel forward from there to your unaltered future.

"some interesting outcomes of this are:
you meet yourself I have done it often even taken a younger version of myself along for a few rides before returning myself to the new timeline and going back to mine."

Seeing  myself as a 74 year old man was shocking, though I look very young for my age. Seeing my young self, I wanted to change a lot. If I knew then what I know now.

"You can alter history in the new universe that you have just created. Most of the time the changes are subtle. the oldest one was a sky scraper that don't exist in New York. Interestingly when you travel in time you must compensate for the orbit of the Earth since the time machine doesn't move you have to adjust the engine so you remain on the planet when you turn it off."

It is difficult to believe that I faxed this.

"Now for the future you might want to know about..Y2K is a disaster . Many people die on the highways when they freeze to death trying to get to warmer weather. The gov. tries to keep power by instituting marshall law but all of it collapses when their efforts to bring the power back up fail."

That was a clue that no longer needs to be masked. The world is actually getting warmer.
The U.S. government is instituting martial law right now. Why isn't the public complaining about illegal web domain seizures?

"A few years later communial government system is developed after the constitution takes a few twists."

This is a reference to the Socialist revolution coming to the world and the U.S. right
now. Occupy Wall Street is the beginning. Acquiring too much wealth at the expense of others will be illegal.

"China retakes Tiawan"

This is far in the future. China does not have the capability right now. But when their old capitalist/communist system dies in favor of the new civil engineered and scientific socialism, China will become rich mining the resources of its west. Taiwan will willingly join China along with United Korea and Japan. They will form the U.S. of Asia.
 
"Isreal wins the largest battle for their life."

Turkey, Pakistan, Egypt, Libya, and other countries will gang-up on Israel and during a nuclear exchange many Jews will flee back to Europe.

"and Russia is covered in Nuclear snow"

So are many European cities. The entire Islamic world will also be destroyed.
 
"from their collapsed reactors."

That is a hidden reference to what happened in Michigan in 2011. And the terror which is to come..

FAX TWO:

"2500 a.d."

I'm dead by this time. 2050.

"I beleive you can change your future by creating one now."

I don't believe that now. I believe that people are too indifferent to the unemployment and suffering of their neighbors. Nothing will stop this now. Nor can we stop the flooding and eruptions which are occurring right now. We'll be living on a hotter earth with more islands soon.
 
"suggest you isolate the programs that concentrate on military technology and new physics theories. Transcribe these programs and put them someplace safe away from the box. I"

Is this in reference to the U.S. Army adopting Tae Kwon Do for P.T.?

"urge you to reconsider your paranoia to the Russians (I am not paranoid about the Russians)They are not preparing for war with the average US citizen . They are preparing for war with the US government. They will eventually save this country and the lives of million of Americans."

Well, if this is in reference to Socialism, maybe.

The rest of the fax is in relation to Baby HayBerr's comments above and his uncle's photo-shopped pictures. I am grateful to them for generating interest in my story until it was safe enough for me to appear now.

[John Thomas]

Here is my personal website. It is full of clues and things I have learned as a time traveler. Look at my source code as well.
http://kira3696.tripod.com/

[Agent : Orange]

Here is my personal website. It is full of clues and things I have learned as a time traveler. Look at my source code as well.
http://kira3696.tripod.com/

LOL WOW Are you really a time traveller OMG

[fysisist]

Here is my personal website. It is full of clues and things I have learned as a time traveler. Look at my source code as well.
http://kira3696.tripod.com/

This will come in very handy if I ever run into Coyote Man, thanks time travel guy!

[Morgus]

I claim to be John Titor.

then you have already proven yourself to be a fake since John Titor was a phony name the guy made up on the internet.
the guy also claimed he went back to his own future time in 2036, never to return to the past...

his postings of the future appear to be coming true including a coming civil war in the USA from unrest that the hopi also predicted. the poor uprising against the rich? 

[John Thomas]

then you have already proven yourself to be a fake since John Titor was a phony name the guy made up on the internet.
the guy also claimed he went back to his own future time in 2036, never to return to the past...

his postings of the future appear to be coming true including a coming civil war in the USA from unrest that the hopi also predicted. the poor uprising against the rich? 

What about this. I'm from Seattle. Amanda Knox is from Seattle and big news right now as she has been acquitted for murder. What if I were to go back in time to Perugia, Italy during Halloween of 2007 and film some evidence and then upload it around this time now. Let's look at YouTube over the next few weeks to see if there is some kind of video evidence that turns up.

This is yet another chance for me to prove I am a time traveler.

http://www.canada.com/sports/soccer/believe+Knox+killed+friend/5459452/story.html

[John Thomas]

According to CERN, the speed of light has been broken.

[Agent : Orange]

According to CERN, the speed of light has been broken.

*sigh*

No, it has not. Not even the OPERA collaboration, the group of physicists that conducted the neutrino time of flight measurements between CERN and Gran Sasso, are willing to make that statement which is why they posted their results on arXiv before taking them to a journal. No one believes their results yet. But their procedures have been thoroughly examined and so far no one has a definitive answer, not even the OPERA folks.

One experiment in the face of thousands conducted in the past 100 years seems to show results that disagree with the predictions of Relativity. Like any time traveller worth their salt, you should know your science and know that this means repeatability is necessary to prove what you say above.

Or are you telling us that in the future the OPERA results are proven conclusively to be correct? 

[John Thomas]

Or are you telling us that in the future the OPERA results are proven conclusively to be correct?

Yes. I'm saying that matter can travel faster than the speed of light. This has a lot to do with the principle of time travel. CERN will prove this and then get funding for some new equipment.

The new equipment will usher in a new age of Star Trek technology. Gene Roddenberry was visited by a guy named J.R. -- a member one of the projects. Gene was working with Navel Intelligence at the time.

[John Thomas]

Like any time traveller worth their salt, you should know your science and know that this means repeatability is necessary to prove what you say above.

Now that is an excellent statement to discuss.
I'm a specialist in cryptology, hardware, software, networking, political science and interrogation.
I'm not a scientist and I didn't invent or patent a time traveling device. I was issued this device. I was briefed on the general principles of how it works. I know that when matter travels faster than the speed of light, it is not restricted to the limitations of time and space and things that travel the speed of light.
There are people here in this time line that are helping to bring attention to this story and they deserve to earn a little money for their time and effort. They should own the rights to the story. The lawyer, the site owner, everyone that helps me.. My message is getting out there. Obama's people are listening to me.