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Frys Girl

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Iran election prediction
« on: June 11, 2009, 11:27:17 AM »
Tomorrow's the election in Iran. I predict that Ahmadinejad will win re-election. For some reasons, that would be a good thing.


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Re: Iran election prediction
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2009, 10:26:13 PM »
Tomorrow's the election in Iran. I predict that Ahmadinejad will win re-election. For some reasons, that would be a good thing.

because all of his rivals are corrupt dogs!

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Re: Iran election prediction
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2009, 10:34:52 PM »
Yes. As much as i hate him, he doesnt use the office to set up fruit and nut businesses that he steals from families. He just says bullshit. He's harmless, except to the people who take him seriously. Thats ok because he doesnt have power any way! Thats how the office is designed. Tehran doesnt equal all iran just like nyc isnt all america. Most mainstream just cover tehran the capital of priviledge!! Its a 7000 year old culture! Ahmadinejad. Sucks but the alternative is worse for iranians but might make news anchors here in usa happy!
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Re: Iran election prediction
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2009, 06:16:59 AM »
YES!!! He won! And I did it all without remote viewing I been reading about in Snoory's stupid book chatter.

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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2009, 06:45:13 AM »
Also, George's guest on this subject, Hossein Hadjazi is awful. Do you want me to guess how he got this guy to come on his show? It's pretty simple.

In Los Angeles, C2C broadcasts on KFI 640 AM. Mr. Hadjazi and the KRSI team (it's an entirely Persian language radio) broadcast on 670 AM. George was probably fiddling with his dial and said "Ooooooh. Eye-ran! Ahmadinejad! Let's get these "experts"."

I hated this guy's "reporting" because it was all rumor. Every statement started out with "there's a rumor that....."

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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2009, 12:23:04 PM »
Yeah I heard presidential election and the office of president in Iran is pretty much a formality for show. The real decisions are apparently made by the religious leaders...(Mullahs?).

I actually heard a story that Ahmadinejad wanted to allow girls to attend soccer (football) games with men's teams and the (Mullahs?) denied it based upon religious tradition. It made him sound essentially powerless to me.

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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2009, 01:36:23 PM »
Yeah I heard presidential election and the office of president in Iran is pretty much a formality for show. The real decisions are apparently made by the religious leaders...(Mullahs?).

I actually heard a story that Ahmadinejad wanted to allow girls to attend soccer (football) games with men's teams and the (Mullahs?) denied it based upon religious tradition. It made him sound essentially powerless to me.
Yes and no. The president doesn't sign bills into law - the supreme leader does this. Supreme leader = pope in shia Islam. The president does yield power to talk (we saw this with Ahmadinejad, the most vocal president since the revolution) AND he controls the police force in many key jurisdictions. He's also a secretary of state in some ways.

If it was a really powerless position, you wouldn't have seen this election grow into such a fever as it did.

I respected Ahmadinejad's position during this election because this new "Iran loves the world, really, we're great and you should love us" was a fake asshole who has stolen MILLIONS. Ahmadinejad is a colleague of the guy's wife, and he called them out on this numerous times.

He questioned her credentials because she used her husbands connections after the revolution to get a PhD. Ahmadinejad's PhD (engineering) IS NOT based on these connections.
In plain terms, Ahmadinejad is like Sarah Palin. He's a wing nut, but the provincial people like him because they HAVE benefitted from his policies, and they should. That's what the Islamic Republic promised at the revolution.

Anyway, I also respect M.A. because at the debate, he turned to this guy Mousavi, who is a blood soaked bastard, and said "you are a thief. you killed people after the revolution, and now you're here to say that we need change? Who the hell are you?"

HE IS RIGHT. It's like Bush telling the Conservative movement they need to become more conservative. This is what Ahmadinejad means by corruption, by the way.

FINALLY, there is a fat creepy man by the name of Rafsanjani. He is no different than Tony Soprano, but on a bigger scale I think. He backed this guy mousavi and it's because he wants the supreme leadership.

What has happened in Iran is very good, actually. But the American/British/Israeli media are too stupid to get it. Also, the supreme leader would never attack Israel, and he is the one in charge of such an act.

Israel and Iran have had ties for a long time, though they have been secret. It's all smoke and mirrors. I'm totally happy with this outcome and I'm proud of Iranians for seeing what's really going on with Mousavi.


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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2009, 07:28:42 PM »
I'm surprised to hear such support for Anadinejad.  I guess I don't know much about the situation except that Amadinejad has been calling for the destruction of all civilization for the past few years which kind of leads me to not like him too much.  There seems to be some rioting today.  This is a good thing...

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Re: Iran election prediction
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2009, 07:39:32 PM »
I'm surprised to hear such support for Anadinejad.  I guess I don't know much about the situation except that Amadinejad has been calling for the destruction of all civilization for the past few years which kind of leads me to not like him too much.  There seems to be some rioting today.  This is a good thing...
Because the press is reporting it in a typical shiteous fasion as they do with oil nations.
Actually, he hasn't. He has predicted that Israel's policies are tantamount to self-destruction. I agree. I think any nation founded on religion is doomed to fail.
Look, Ahmadinejad was not a perfect candidate, but he was the better one. Mousavi is a pure asshole who is using these youths to shield himself and that fat mullah (rafsanjani) from prosecution.
Anyone who is being arrested deserves it. These mobs are doing so much damage to private and public property with their stones and fires. Screw them ALL.
My uncle has a gun/tackle/surplus shop in Iran. Who will pay for his broken windows so these asses can feel "democratic" and go smoke blunts while they listen to 50 cent? They have been mislead.

Keep in mind, please, that not all Iranians care about foreign policy. Domestic policy was very important this time around. Whether Israel is pissed doesn't matter to the average Iranian, who saves money to go to Karbala and MAYBE Mecca.

I repeat, the better candidate won. He might not satisfy the pundits in the USA, but I could care less. Good for Iran.

The day after Bush won a second term, people mourned, but no one pulled the shit these people in Tehran are.

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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2009, 08:43:48 PM »
I actually celebrated Bush's reelection.  I'm betting that five word sentence is gonna get me in big trouble around here.  Hey, I wounder what Ian has got planned for us tonite?...

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Re: Iran election prediction
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2009, 08:45:03 PM »
I actually celebrated Bush's reelection.  I'm betting that five word sentence is gonna get me in big trouble around here.  Hey, I wounder what Ian has got planned for us tonite?...
It doesn't matter whether or not you celebrated. The point is, no one punched another person, no one threw stoned at shop windows.

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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2009, 09:10:50 PM »
I am shocked that some her don't  realize just what Aquavelvazhad actually has said about Israel. There are no good choices in an "election" in any of the so called countries in the middle East, Israel notwithstanding.
We (the US) screwed the pooch many years ago with puppet regimes like the Shah. As far as I am concerned, the world has already gone to hell in a hand basket. There is no hope.

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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2009, 09:12:45 PM »
I am shocked that some her don't  realize just what Aquavelvazhad actually has said about Israel. There are no good choices in an "election" in any of the so called countries in the middle East, Israel notwithstanding.
We (the US) screwed the pooch many years ago with puppet regimes like the Shah. As far as I am concerned, the world has already gone to hell in a hand basket. There is no hope.
Do you speak Persian? Did you hear what he said clearly or did you just hear what MEMRI or abc translated?

Why are you so concerned about Ahmadinejad? Why is he such a threat?

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Re: Iran election prediction
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2009, 09:19:11 PM »
By the way, the Israeli politics machine is not exactly fair and free either. My ex's parents ran away from Israel for that reason. They have their share of problems. I'm so sick of everyone thinking Israel is one step from Utopia because of the savage Iranians and Arabs next door. Screw them and the double standards.

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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2009, 09:22:52 PM »
why don't you offer a verbatim translation of his rants about Israel. Then maybe I will be able to judge. Your comments about him are very subjective. Furthermore, I have not heard any meaningful rebuttal by the Iranians regarding his speeches.

All I know is there is a concerted effort to vilify Israel, directed at little children as well as adults. There is nothing positive coming from Iran, only inflammatory words.

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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2009, 09:25:25 PM »
why don't you offer a verbatim translation of his rants about Israel. Then maybe I will be able to judge. Your comments about him are very subjective. Furthermore, I have not heard any meaningful rebuttal by the Iranians regarding his speeches.

All I know is there is a concerted effort to vilify Israel, directed at little children as well as adults. There is nothing positive coming from Iran, only inflammatory words.
"out of Iran". What the hell are you talking about? You mean out of Ahmadinejad? So you don't agree with him. Many Iranians are FINE with Israel and have no care at all. They actually don't vote based on it. I know it's hard to understand coming from this US-Israel corporate dominated media.

And most Iranians who are critical are justified. Israel has been fucking with Iran since 2005 when they gave intel to the communist MKO who were in a work camp in Iraq to help push bush to war with Iran.
You think the current regime is bad? The "People's Mujahedeen" is a bunch of zombies. They are sex segregated by the way, in their camp.

I can't wait for Iraq to deport them.

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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2009, 09:43:57 PM »
 Still waiting for the verbatim translations of his speeches that the big bad western news media is lying to us poor fools about.

Gee, did the UN translators get it all wrong too ? Remember when lots of nations left when the Iranian president went off on his racist rants ? I think you are biased. He is the president, although I agree he probably has little real power.

This is all too far off the intent of this group and I am done with this thread. Why did you post it in the first place ? (rhetorical question, I don't really care). I will just return to my state of blissful ignorance and tune in Fox News .





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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2009, 10:06:24 PM »
To support the other guy that made a post here.... I was glad Bush was re-elected. Funny how Obama is doing pretty much exactly what Bush did, except for the part where he travels around the world telling everyone how bad the US is. Funny too how the evil news media twists it all up so poor fools like me cant figure it out. Damn I wish I was smarter and able to think for myself.

I am really done with this thread now.

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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2009, 10:28:01 PM »
O.k.  Lets remember we all have one common enemy...George Noory!   God love em!


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Re: Iran election prediction
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2009, 07:00:26 AM »
O.k.  Lets remember we all have one common enemy...George Noory!   God love em!
Not so fast! Mousavi is just as bad as George Noory, but much worse since he is inciting violence.

Here's the gist of what I'm saying : Mousavi is NOT Ghandi, Dr. King, or Nelson Mandela. He is a bastard who slaughtered thousands of people carelessly. He abused his connections, and yes, it benefitted his dumb wife, a communist by the way, who is lucky to be alive today in Iran.

Now, let's also not forget that Mousavi was the asshole who set up his friend Manoucher Ghorbanifar to talk with the CIA during the Iran Contra scandal! Oh yes my GNS friends, because of these asses, who made millions off of Iran Contra while people like my dad were fighting and putting their asses on the line so the fucking Iraqis wouldn't boil us alive, the mullah aristocracy was blessed by America. Now they are back to make more money, try to grab MORE power for their children, and they're doing it in the name of an election? They can go to hell. This isn't about Ahmadinejad being an angel. He's a harmless religious nut. I'm glad he won.

The position of prime minister was stopped because of Mousavi. He abused it so much. Imagine this happened in America - that someone was publicly laughed out of office, but came back to be a leader.

What Mousavi is doing is very evil, actually. He's exploiting these young people for himself and for the fat ass who wants to be supreme leader, his friend Hashemi. No shame.

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,963262,00.html
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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2009, 07:38:43 AM »
Iran Contra was a horror - no doubt - and I don't suggest this Mousavi dude is a good deal - In fact, our CIA has a track record for picking people who turn out to be despotic assholes.

HOWEVER - is it true that they kept the pols open for an extra 4 or five hours - used PAPER ballots -and then announced the winner two hours after the polls closed?

Something is odd in that.

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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2009, 07:45:08 AM »
Iran Contra was a horror - no doubt - and I don't suggest this Mousavi dude is a good deal - In fact, our CIA has a track record for picking people who turn out to be despotic assholes.

HOWEVER - is it true that they kept the pols open for an extra 4 or five hours - used PAPER ballots -and then announced the winner two hours after the polls closed?

Something is odd in that.
No. It's absolutely false. Actually, do you know what Mousavi did? He DECLARED himself a winner. ahmadinejad did the same old "god will make me victorious". The press as per usual, said that he declared himself winner. No. The "exit polls" which accounted for the provinces showed the big gap.

Mousavi, in declaring himself winner BEFORE THE OFFICIAL RESULT WAS ANNOUNCED stated that "IF I DON'T WIN, THE ELECTION IS A SHAM".

HA. What an asshole, indeed. Imagine if Obama had done this. Even the candidates who are leading in polls in America always keep their traps shut and wait for the official results.

I am so fed up with the lies. Lies upon lies. Dealing with Ahmadinejad is easy. He is who he says he is. He is against Israel's policies, he is against the aristocratic mullahs, who incidently, the average Iranians are against too. For you see, unlike Evangelicals in the US who will keep with their leaders even if they notice "hey, he's driving a cadillac, he has gold teeth, he travels first class, he always has the collection plates open", Religious, muslim Iranians don't tolerate this. That is what Ahmadinejad represents domestically.

Internationally, it's another story. Most of the people who are protesting were on their way out eventually. Once some kind of visa office can open up in Tehran, then Iranians will calm down. This is just a comic strip and there's nothing pure and democratic about what the Mousavi mobs are doing.

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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2009, 07:55:56 AM »
By the way, I will break with Obama if he dares criticize Ahmadinejad on this one. I trust his judgment so far. His silence has been very smart. I'm guessing he knows who Mousavi is and what he is truly about. Rafsanjani (a fat bastard mullah, only religious in clothing) must have already been contacting the white house to whore himself out for whatever he wants in return for Obama's support. He did it during the Bush admin too. I don't know why the S.L. doesn't deal with this guy once and for all. It baffles me.

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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2009, 08:16:01 AM »
Not that I really have an opinion on this subject, but the reports I am hearing are claiming riot police are beating the shit out of everyone there. Women, children, whatever. I could care less about Mousavi and take Fry girls word on his character. But, seems to me that people want some sort of change, and revolutions are never pretty affairs. Look what happened with the French. Traded one godawful Tyrant for another. This could get ugly, but then again it seems that everything in the Middle East is on the verge of getting ugly pretty quickly. Then again, it could peter out in a whimper. Who knows. Living in history is a weird affair. I do like this picture though, whatever side he is on.

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« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2009, 08:23:22 AM »
Not that I really have an opinion on this subject, but the reports I am hearing are claiming riot police are beating the shit out of everyone there. Women, children, whatever. I could care less about Mousavi and take Fry girls word on his character. But, seems to me that people want some sort of change, and revolutions are never pretty affairs. Look what happened with the French. Traded one godawful Tyrant for another. This could get ugly, but then again it seems that everything in the Middle East is on the verge of getting ugly pretty quickly. Then again, it could peter out in a whimper. Who knows. Living in history is a weird affair. I do like this picture though, whatever side he is on.
Please don't take my word on his character. It's a lofty statement you made there, "The people". Which people? What most Americans don't get is that Ahmadinejad IS CHANGE. His predecessors were all corrupt assholes. The post-Ahmadinejad candidate is not Mousavi, and the election proved that.

There are a lot people in Iran, who are not reported about in the media here. That's ok, we can't even get the media to report basic things about our own candidates, so it's silly to complain about this.

Please don't type bull shit. Children have not had the shit beaten out of them. I have been in touch with my family and a lot of the people who are involved are useless anyway. They do not own the property they are destroying. They are committing crimes for two monsters, Mousavi and Rafsanjani.

I'm scared to think what kinds of whore out offers they are sending for Obama in exchange for some vocal support. Imagine if Saddam came back from the dead and said "let's mend fences. Everyone. Ignore all the murder and theft I committed. Let's all be friends."

Well it's as unbelievable and cinematic as what these assholes are doing.

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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2009, 08:33:10 AM »
I repeat, Mousavi is not Dr. King. EVEN IF he were to get the post he wants (he won't. this is nice cinema and nothing more), he will spit these people out faster than you can count to 100. These reformist characters are actually WORSE for Iranians, especially the artists.

They are so pressed to please the mullah aristocracy power elites, that they actually increase censorship. When I was in Iran under Ahmadinejad, the movies were very liberal and the crack downs decreased.

Anyway, Mousavi has time to file his grievences, FINALLY (what took you so long?). He had election observers and it's time he show what the beef is, rather than just saying baloney from his balcony.

By observers, I mean, these people were there when the votes were counted. Thousands of observers. Not a single one said a thing. But when the official result was announced, suddenly, Mousavi was sad and saw and opportunity to exploit these restless youth. He can go fuck himself.

This is an Iranian matter. No foreign leader should involve him or herself. Can you imagine if someone said during the 2000 election, we must step in and help Al Gore! he won the popular vote! How is this fair?

No. There is a process and rule of law. The IRI sucks, and I don't agree with Islamic law, but that's the law there. That's how this election was going to play out. If Mousavi doesn't agree, why did he bother running?
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« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2009, 10:18:54 AM »

Please don't type bull shit. Children have not had the shit beaten out of them. I have been in touch with my family and a lot of the people who are involved are useless anyway. They do not own the property they are destroying. They are committing crimes for two monsters, Mousavi and Rafsanjani.


Bull shit? I really don't know. I am sitting here listening to the radio and the AP news story that just ran said that the riot police where beating people indiscrimantely, targeting anyone in the streets, INCLUDING women and children. I can't verify it. Wasn't there, didn't see it happen. Maybe its just another lie from the corporate media. Maybe not. I don't support either side on this. Generally speaking, I am going to be taking the side of the guy who is the target OF the aggression, no matter who they support. Destroying property and destroying people are two entirely different things. Maybe they are entirely misguided and their hoped for reform party leader is everything you say. Maybe he is just upsetting the status quo for his own benefit. But anyone who thinks they can control a mob is insane. Those sorts of things have minds of their own. Maybe, he will end up like Robespierre, a victim of his own creation.

The only thing I take issue with is that "alot of people who are involved are useless anyway." If you are referring to the politicians then sure, fuck them. But if you are referring to the hundreds of people I am watching in the streets of Tehran, well then you are wrong. The people described in this article, http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/crackdown-in-iran-as-anger-rages-over-vote/article1181953/ don't really sound like they really deserve whatever they are getting at this moment based simply on the fact that they support the opposition and voiced their dissatisfaction.

This is an Iranian matter. No foreign leader should involve him or herself.

There is no such thing in this day and time. Its a 'global' world now and everything that happens there has global implications. Granted, I don't think that any country should be rushing the charge to 'help out' at this point, but to pretend this doesn't have global implications is short sighted. No, I don't want Obama to open his mouth at this point. But, neither do I want him to remain silent if the situation worsens.


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« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2009, 10:23:54 AM »
Excuse me Nboy with the nice avatar, but when did I say there aren't thousands. The population of Iran is 70 million + there was 75-80 percent voter turn out (eligible). Even Iranian-Americans were permitted to vote, which is an abomination, but many of them pay taxes and hold citizenship, so whatevs.

Back to these protesters in Tehran. Tehran is a rich rich rich rich capital. It doesn't account for all the voter profiles in Iran.
These people can protest all they want, but Ahmadinejad won, and he will have his second term. Imagine if Ahmadinejad had contested the results? HA.

This is nice cinema. Enjoy it. By the way, it's exam time in Iran. Are you surprised these "youth" are out chanting and ranting. Don't be.

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« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2009, 10:27:14 AM »
Here's another way I can describe what happened to you. You know Sarah Palin's supporters? They are overall, Christian and conservative. The same is true of Ahmadinejad, but they have a different religion.

You know the charges of elitism against Obama? The "empty suit" stuff? It's the same for Mousavi. He was an insult to MANY Iranians. Let's just say that when you have tens of thousands killed, then come back and woo them with sweet talk, their friends and relatives won't pretend to have a short-term memory on the subject.

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« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2009, 10:46:01 AM »
You are correct on the whole Tehran doesn't represent Iran thing. I concede that. I dont know two shits about the socioeconomic status of Iranians. You are probably right about a bunch of riled up students. No idea.

All I do know is that my fat ass will never be able to grace Iran, and with that I have my own beef. There are maybe 4 countries outside of Appalachia that I have any interest in, with Iran coming in a close third to Turkey. I would actually love to actually stand in the ruins of Persepolis, but that'll never happen. I'd rot in an Iranian jail for sure so I'll make do with the pictures my Canadian brethren send me when they get to visit. I have had a minor obsession with the Persians since I started translating Herodotus over from the Greek, but I have been enamoured with the land itself after I saw this:
Trailer for "The Color of Paradise"


Fucking Gorgious land. The movie broke my heart too.

But being from Iran, let me ask you some questions. How much do you or your people hold onto their Persian heritage? Is the Persian aspect of Iran downplayed against the Islamic/Arabic culture? DO they go so far as try to usurp the history? And do they admit any Pan-Hellenic influence into the historical culture or is any western influence quashed? Hope those questions dont bother  you, just curious. Feel free to ignore them if they do.