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Frys Girl

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« Reply #90 on: April 12, 2009, 09:26:35 AM »
Here's a link to an article by Robert Kaplan about this pirate problem.

It seems like our Navy isn't well structured to deal with this, but that steps are being taken to make a more "street-fighting, scrappy" branch.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/opinion/12kaplan.html?_r=1


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« Reply #91 on: April 12, 2009, 10:55:52 AM »
I read that same article Fry - and almost linked it here myself. 

Still - WE HAVE SNIPERS.

Frys Girl

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« Reply #92 on: April 12, 2009, 11:13:16 AM »
I read that same article Fry - and almost linked it here myself. 

Still - WE HAVE SNIPERS.
Time to get them. Many. And I worry about this poor captain. What if they shoot and kill a pirate or two? What about the others who might be guarding him? Will they kill him still? I don't think consequences matter to these people. They are working for ruthless disgusting people - they're not independent workers.

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« Reply #93 on: April 12, 2009, 11:25:46 AM »
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I'm really disturbed by how much over simplifying is going on in this thread.

Yeah, this seems to have left the realm of the rational. When people start saying they know their opinion is the right one it is time for me to find another thread. :P

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« Reply #94 on: April 12, 2009, 01:11:00 PM »
I read that same article Fry - and almost linked it here myself. 

Still - WE HAVE SNIPERS.

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Robert D. Kaplan is a national correspondent

That is one problem, Monday morning quarterback. Mr. Kaplan should KNOW that every SHIP has MARINES on BOARD (yes I am biased due to ....)

Snipers, yes they are there as well as several unclassified special units but with stand down orders they cannot act. Even the Frogs (french) acted when a similar event happened and yes one civilian died I believe but even they of all nations acted.

Frys Girl

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« Reply #95 on: April 12, 2009, 01:11:50 PM »
Yeah, this seems to have left the realm of the rational. When people start saying they know their opinion is the right one it is time for me to find another thread. :P
Amazingly, cooler heads prevailed on this. Captain is free now. Makes me wonder what the real consequences of "I want this president to fail" really mean, especially in a case like this!

Frys Girl

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« Reply #96 on: April 12, 2009, 01:13:12 PM »
Even the Frogs (french) acted
Looks like we acted too. Your frog comment is killing me. I haven't heard that in a LONG time. Krauts and frogs.

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« Reply #97 on: April 12, 2009, 01:33:11 PM »
Amazingly, cooler heads prevailed on this. Captain is free now. Makes me wonder what the real consequences of "I want this president to fail" really mean, especially in a case like this!

Do not know who or whom said that they wanted the president to fail in this event? Cooler heads prevailed no evidence of that but ther is evidence of the following. Ha

"The San Diego-based warship USS Boxer,which gets some of its munitions from the Seal Beach Naval Weapons Station and carries Marines from Camp Pendleton,  has arrived at the scene of a stand-off with pirates who are holding an American ship captain in a lifeboat.

CNN is reporting that the pirates fired at a rescue vessel from the USS Bainbridge, a destroyer that?s in the same area as the Boxer. The Navy did not return fire, the military said.

The US Navy confirmed  that the 844-foot long Boxer ? which is leading and international anti-piracy task force ? is  assisting Bainbridge, which is shadowing the pirates who briefly took control of the American-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama. The crew regained control of the ship, which has since made port in Kenya. However, Somali pirates are holding the ship?s captain, 53-year-old Richard Phillips of Vermont, hostage in a small boat.

Phillips made an unsuccessful attempt Friday to escape from the pirates in an area the Associated Press says its roughly 300 miles from the Horn of Africa.

The Boxer? which is basically a small aircraft carrier - carries upwards of 1,800 Marines on deployment, most of whom are drawn from Camp Pendleton. Some live or are natives of Orange County.

The ship has been involved in the current Iraq War, and is among the most heavily armed vessels in the US Navy, typically carrying everything from Harrier attack planes to Super Cobra attack helicopters to Sea Sparrow missiles.

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« Reply #98 on: April 12, 2009, 01:44:32 PM »
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but ther is evidence of the following

I'm confused.

I don't think anyone doubts we have enough fire power to deal with the situation. And it now seems quite evident that the US had some plan in place to take care of the situation, and seeing as how the captain is free, and nobody was destroyed i'd have to agree that cooler heads did prevail.

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« Reply #99 on: April 12, 2009, 01:46:50 PM »
You know what?  I'm just happy Capt. Richard Phillips is free - and that we did, in the end, show strength.  Happy Easter to the Phillips Family! 

And now - I'm going to eat Chinese food, have a few drinks, and exchange baskets with MY family!

have a great day all.

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« Reply #100 on: April 12, 2009, 01:49:33 PM »
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Chinese food, have a few drinks, and exchange baskets with MY family!

See thats a nice traditional Easter right there... :D

Frys Girl

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« Reply #101 on: April 12, 2009, 02:08:49 PM »
I'm confused.

I don't think anyone doubts we have enough fire power to deal with the situation. And it now seems quite evident that the US had some plan in place to take care of the situation, and seeing as how the captain is free, and nobody was destroyed i'd have to agree that cooler heads did prevail.
Look the pirates said they would kill him if they were fired at. The US said look we will take our captain and you guys won't get shot, but we will arrest you. They didn't accept and thus the rescue mission went ahead and thank goodness, IT WORKED. Happy easter ya'll.

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« Reply #102 on: April 12, 2009, 02:14:49 PM »
Woot! I'm actually kinda glad the negotiations broke down and they finally pretty much HAD to do something. You can't negotiate with fuckin Somalis unless you're paying them. Captain safe, three dead, and one left to tell the tale in a prison cell? I'd call that an excellent job beyond anything I could have expected. I just wish Obama wouldn't have allowed the situation to escalate as much as it did, because we looked pretty bad for a couple days there...but the ends justify the means, I suppose. Big ups to our Navy..(especially whoever pulled the trigger on those bastards. Mwaha.)

Happy Easter all. :)

Centurion73

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« Reply #103 on: April 12, 2009, 02:51:58 PM »
Amazingly, cooler heads prevailed on this.

Are you saying that "On Saturday night, the Navy fired warning shots at the lifeboat, followed by a brief exchange of fire, the official said." is cooler heads? I do admit from experience that you do need a "cool head and clear mind to do it right" rather than "pray & spray."

"In Somalia, Abdirahman Muhammad Faroole, president of the Puntland region, where some of the pirates were thought to be from, said that on Sunday afternoon, American officials whom he?d been talking to throughout the crisis abruptly told him to stop pursuing negotiations with tribal elders affiliated with the pirates. Mr. Faroole was told the Americans ?had another action,? and said it was no longer necessary for him to work with the elders, he said."

That is not "cool heads prevailing" that is growing a set and making a statement to all.

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One pirate named Ali, in Galkaiyo, Somalia, said the American Navy rescue won?t discourage other Somali pirate groups at all.

?As long as there is no just government in Somalia, we will still be the coast guard,? he said, adding: ?If we get an American, we will take revenge.?

Wont be many Somalians going to prison after that statement but they may get to meet their maker sooner than they think. I am happy that SOMEONE had the BALLS to stand up that is all. Took some time for the USS Boxer to get in position and once it did nothing with cooler heads had anything to do with it firepower did.

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« Reply #104 on: April 12, 2009, 03:08:04 PM »
"pray and spray" holy crap. never heard that one. Many good new puns and phrases in here.

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« Reply #105 on: April 12, 2009, 03:32:31 PM »
"pray and spray" holy crap. never heard that one. Many good new puns and phrases in here.

That is what people who cannot fire a weapon correctly and use sight alignment do, pull (rather than squeeze the trigger and pray they hit something).

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« Reply #106 on: April 12, 2009, 09:50:31 PM »
It's too much to not mention....it is an Obama-love-fest on Geraldo's show on Fox News.

Its just funny to me is all, i'm watching it chuckling. Its amazing what a good military operation can do for someone, not to say I didn't also think it was pretty cool.

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« Reply #107 on: April 12, 2009, 10:12:45 PM »
It's too much to not mention....it is an Obama-love-fest on Geraldo's show on Fox News.

Its just funny to me is all, I'm watching it chuckling. Its amazing what a good military operation can do for someone, not to say I didn't also think it was pretty cool.

He WOULD not even comment on it or discuss or even act like it was it while it was going on, now he wants to be the "Great Man" the "Great Man or MEN" are the ones that took the shot and the Captain that may have OK'd the mission without proper authority, "I should we say, sometimes radio and electronic equipment fail  ;), just saying. Bet your ass if this went south "The Great Genuflector" would have disavowed any knowledge (cue original mission impossible tape.)

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« Reply #108 on: April 12, 2009, 10:30:15 PM »
Man, you really don't care much for the president.

I was laughing more at Fox's ability to put off the "Liberal Fascist Takeover" theme for the evening and to not only commend his decision to authorize force(which was actually first done on Fiday), but to get to the point that the whole panel was gushing about his picks for his war cabinet. It's a sight I didn't expect to see, but I enjoyed it, because i'm sure it won't last.


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« Reply #109 on: April 13, 2009, 12:33:51 AM »
Man, you really don't care much for the president.

I was laughing more at Fox's ability to put off the "Liberal Fascist Takeover" theme for the evening and to not only commend his decision to authorize force(which was actually first done on Fiday), but to get to the point that the whole panel was gushing about his picks for his war cabinet. It's a sight I didn't expect to see, but I enjoyed it, because i'm sure it won't last.

I do not trust him yet that is for sure, (I KNOW FOR A FACT that at times communications break down amazing how that happens.) The authorization for force was given to the Captain on the scene so it was he who made the choice to make the mission a GO if he thought the other captains life was in jeopardy. Like I said and you have to admit it if it went bad like the failed attempt to rescue the hostages by President Carter no doubt the great appeaser would have been against it. Probably would have bowed to the Somalians too.

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« Reply #110 on: April 15, 2009, 12:00:51 PM »
I must say that Mr. Obama's stock has gone up (now if he can do that with the real economy that be great) after some independent verification and talking to some other sources it appears that Obama gave the green light to those on the scene. GOOD FOR HIM, I am glad he did and listened to his military leaders on this one. I feel good for him and bad as well, even though the Somalia's were scum now he has to live with taking them out (and not to dinner.) He did what he had to do and I hope he is OK with it and I pray his children do not have to deal with it yet. I really hope this is a one time deal for him as now some know the capabilities that "we" have. Thank you all for the lively debate about the issue as well it had so many sides to it and most were very fair in how they treated others on here.

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« Reply #111 on: April 15, 2009, 12:30:43 PM »
Man, you really don't care much for the president.

I was laughing more at Fox's ability to put off the "Liberal Fascist Takeover" theme for the evening and to not only commend his decision to authorize force(which was actually first done on Fiday), but to get to the point that the whole panel was gushing about his picks for his war cabinet. It's a sight I didn't expect to see, but I enjoyed it, because i'm sure it won't last.
Dey're Patriots! Don't hate you anti-American piece of communist seed.

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« Reply #112 on: April 15, 2009, 01:05:13 PM »
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Don't hate you anti-American piece of communist seed.

The mission has been compromised.

Now we'll never live in a world where people drive fuel efficient cars, check their tire pressure, and advance new technologies to sustain and improve our way of life, because afterall that is the whole diabolical plan. MWUAAHHHAHHHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

*wrings hands diabolically*

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« Reply #113 on: April 15, 2009, 05:46:10 PM »
The mission has been compromised.

Now we'll never live in a world where people drive fuel efficient cars, check their tire pressure, and advance new technologies to sustain and improve our way of life, because afterall that is the whole diabolical plan. MWUAAHHHAHHHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

*wrings hands diabolically*
Sustain? Sustainable? What is that French? The second coming is the answer to ignoring the pouring of sludges and shit into water.

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« Reply #114 on: April 15, 2009, 06:54:29 PM »
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ignoring the pouring of sludges and shit into water.

Coincidentally, My local city of residence is about to receive some help to clean the harbor that you can't eat fish out of.

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U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa P. Jackson came to the Whaling City to unveil the award of at least $25 million, and perhaps as much as $35 million -- the single largest portion of the $600 million in stimulus money designated for cleanups nationwide. Four other New England properties in Mansfield, Lowell, Kingston, N.H. and Strafford, Vt. also received millions in funding.
link

Go money!
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« Reply #115 on: April 18, 2009, 01:37:06 AM »
Obama Exempts CIA Torture Staff from Prosecution
Published on 04-17-2009

Barry is back after an outstanding action he does this and ruins all his fine work. It does not matter to him a lawyer a once "EDITOR OF A LAW REVIEW" sarcasm intended. To know that these actions are and were against the Treaty on Human rights signed by the USA, The Geneva Convention, The CONSTITUTION of the USA, THE BILL OF RIGHTS, The UN Human Rights Treaties,  Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, Inter-American Convention to Prevent and Punish Torture, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, Universal Declaration of Human Rights, War Crimes Act of 1996 - 18 U.S.C. - 2441 , World Medical Association Declaration of Tokyo: (Guidelines for Physicians Concerning Torture and other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment in Relation to Detention and Imprisonment), Having regard also to the Declaration on the Protection of All Persons from Being Subjected to Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, adopted by the General Assembly on 9 December 1975 (resolution 3452 (XXX)), ALL SIGNED BY THE USA but Obama is more interested in picking UNC to win the NCAA?

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Amnesty International said the Department of Justice appeared to be offering a "get-out-of-jail-free card" to individuals who were involved in acts of torture.
The Centre for Constitutional Rights, which has championed the legal rights of the "war on terror" detainees, also expressed its disappointment.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8003537.stm

Read for yourself please I may be wrong again...

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« Reply #116 on: April 19, 2009, 06:39:02 AM »
Sustain? Sustainable? What is that French? The second coming is the answer to ignoring the pouring of sludges and shit into water.

elle oh elle!