Topic: Asperger's Syndrome

[Centurion73]

You've done the best you can - and more than many would or could have.

I agree with Ev and it is true that you have done more than most as well as more than those on here know know about.

I think (sometimes), that if you can convey your concerns about retribution from the family to the court that they "may" give you a modified order of protection for them all if you explain your reasons rationally or have a Cultural Anthropologist write a memo for you stating such concers. However, he CANNOT even email you his assignments he & you can have NO contact by any means. This is so he can get help, you can be safer. From my dealings with all of this the offenders that have contact or keep contacting people mostly seem to view the contactee as "their property" and this often results in violence (not meant to worry you just is how it is mostly).

You did what only one other instructor did, you sought out help & information for him & yourself so be proud of that and better for you to learn this lesson now. Teaching is not always a safe profession and you have to be more of a Social worker now, as well as a cop, mother, father, friend, mentor, etc. It must be a calling for those that do it because it's a lot of responsibility for the pay and your always behind the 8-ball with admin.

[Centurion73]

summation:  if it is legal to conceal and carry where you are, DO IT.  tomorrow. Fuck university policy. 

don't plan to be a victim.

Agreed and same advice I had given her, the major problem is it involves DC & Virginia and unknown amount of different jurisdictions to go through to get to work and home. Also, there is no state law forcing colleges/universities to allow guns on campus rather it is the opposite.

I suggested some non-lethal ways but if it were me and me only, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[Michael Vandeven]

Also, there is no state law forcing colleges/universities to allow guns on campus rather it is the opposite.

the question for me is as follows:  if one lives in and travels through a jurisdiction where conceal carry is legal, and they're traveling to a university that also falls within that jurisdiction, does one's failure to observe a university's no gun policy get that person in trouble with just the university?  or with the university AND the government? 

if it's just trouble with the university, then i'd say that trouble becomes irrelevant.  if you're shot dead at school and were unable to defend yourself because you were following university policy, your willingness to follow said policy has hardly been rewarded.  hell, i guess the same can be said EVEN IF you would have legal troubles for taking a gun.  if you're dead, what does it matter?

i know in my state, i'm not supposed to carry my gun into schools or police stations.  i find this rule to be stupid since it suggests a person getting shot by me in one locale is more troubling than the person getting shot in another.

however, if i'm walking past a school and i see some guy blasting down kids, i hardly think the DA is going to throw up any roadblocks if i take the guy out.

[Centurion73]

the question for me is as follows:  if one lives in and travels through a jurisdiction where conceal carry is legal, and they're traveling to a university that also falls within that jurisdiction, does one's failure to observe a university's no gun policy get that person in trouble with just the university?  or with the university AND the government? 

From my experience only (here in NYS) your trouble would be state Government but they would sign off and prosecute you on a Federal level. Any interstate travel, communications prior to that travel (ie mapquest, emails, phone, mail, cell phone, any threats that may have been made prior all let federal laws attach).

however, if i'm walking past a school and i see some guy blasting down kids, i hardly think the DA is going to throw up any roadblocks if i take the guy out.

I agree with you but do not suppose this will be true, you are better off hoping the fed grand jury give you a "no bill" then the DA & Feds will come after you not for the use of the weapon but for you violating the perps civil rights. The D.A. & Feds would use you to get their press regardless of your "good faith" intentions. You have to remember if you are KNOWINLY carrying in a school zone 1000 radius you're all ready in violation.

"If the law supposes that," said Mr. Bumble, "the law is an ass, a idiot."
Charles Dickins

[Frys Girl]

I just want to make a public announcement here on GNS. Do not ever bother working at a community college.
This student has turned into the biggest pain in the ass I could imagine.
He is now going to meet with the dean and inform him, as he has informed other professional staff, that he was "just kidding". If that jerk is allowed back in, them I can say 100% for sure, that I am out of there, at least after the semester is finished. I have a hard enough time controlling a bunch of 18 year olds and trying to keep them quiet.

Apparently, he was just "joking" because he forgot his laptop at some nerd convention and he was freaking out. Because you know, that is what you do when you lose your laptop, you go to strangers and classmates and teachers and tell them the various ways to off yourself. Oh and his mom, she's a right piece of work. She says this is "all blown out of proportion."

[EvB]

Well, if things turn you the way you fear - then the admin of your community college sucks.  And Fry's Girl, you KNOW I am taking this all very seriously, and am concerned for you.  So - given the gravity of The situation, this is a lousy time to say this - but when has that ever stopped me before?

PLEASE don't tar all community colleges with the same brush.  They are a marvelous concept, some of the m even WORK.  The one I, my son, and my DIL all got our associates degrees from sure did.  More - they have a very interesting history.  Did you know they came about primarily as a response to the need for further education and retraining for soldiers retuning form WWII?  They've opened themselves wider as the years went by.  They took a middle aged, disabled Mom who had failed at formal education at every turn,  her barely 16 y/o son who had been home schooled since 7th grade - was sick of self direction but had come to far to go back to high school, cleaned up the holes in his college prep education (basically he didn't have quite enough algebra - but they got him caught up inone semester while he started his college English classes and took some elctronic media clases as well) and got him ready for the state university, which he just graduated from with honors. The rolled me, the calssic underacheiver, into an honors track at the same univerity.

It is true that they will take anyone - and sometimes that gets ugly.  That does not mean anyone can stay - and this dude should NOT stay. 

Still, I served on the student government association for my CC (Holyoke Community College) with people from all kinds of backgrounds, life experiences, potential futures and so on. My fellow governors held every imagineable political perspective (forget the notion of the "bastion of coffeehouse liberalism"  - this place was truly democratic in it's makeup) I also served with people who were headed for the Ivy League, and people who had Down's Syndrome (relatively high functioning) who who were tutored though to their 2 year degrees, one class at a time if necessary. 

I love it.  Still do.  If I were to teach in college full time - I'd seriously consider a community college.

But damn - you have every reason to be upset, angry, and disillusioned. 

Give 'em hell!  One thing is in your favor at a community college.  They tend to be small.  One person can make a difference by themselves.  I just graduated form a university that has won The Princeton Review's Red Tape Award multiple time.  What a SHOCK that place has been after going to  school where you could actually knock on the president door and say "Hey, Bill, you got a sec?  I got an issue!"

[Centurion73]

Stand your ground it does not matter if he was "joking" it is all MANDATED reporting, follow through on your OFFICIAL reporting, pass the LIABILITY up. Once you notify the School in written form then they have what is called "strict liability" and your ass is covered. You acted in good faith always and with the concerns your students raised to you all your actions were prudent. If you want me to get involved PM me, fuck the parents they are "tools" any negative actions, statements, or anything you construe as such is actionable by you throw that out there and watch them start to lick your boots. As you know I am not a lawyer (disclaimer) but I will get you one if you want that will sue the school, parents, student, even his fucking laptop into the stone fucking age. They are responsible for all your "stress" related issues that may come up from this "joke" let them know that as well and you will never see or hear from this ass again.

[Frys Girl]

Progress today!!! I talked to the Provost who came back from a trip. He made it clear to me that student won't be in my class and that he definitely has a fixation with death. He must get an evaluation and will still not be back in my class even if he get a clean bill of health.PHEW

[Centurion73]

Progress today!!! I talked to the Provost who came back from a trip. He made it clear to me that student won't be in my class and that he definitely has a fixation with death. He must get an evaluation and will still not be back in my class even if he get a clean bill of health.PHEW

GOOD FOR YOU!! Thanks for telling us, as you can see from my last post I got pissed at the system but I am so happy it is working out for you now.

[Frys Girl]

GOOD FOR YOU!! Thanks for telling us, as you can see from my last post I got pissed at the system but I am so happy it is working out for you now.

It always comes down the Provost. Our provost is just frickin awesome.
BTW guess what he has in common with the VA tech killer. Guess. They went to the same high school!